[sword-devel] Web Interface

Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:59:22 -0600

Troy,

Yes we can put more information in there. I just tested with my two browsers
and Mozilla crops the text at character 87. IE is much more generous and
does not crop it until character 807. But if we want to put the entire
strongs definition in there, I think we could probably come up with a better
method, still short of reverting to JavaScript. If we are going to place the
full definition, I'd like to be able to include other markup as well. Let me
see what I can come up with.

I also have some ideas for a page layout for the interface. I did not have
time to work on it any this weekend. I'll try to put something together this
week and see what you think.

by grace alone,

Don A. Elbourne Jr.
http://elbourne.org

----- Original Message -----
From: "Troy A. Griffitts" <scribe@crosswire.org>
To: <sword-devel@crosswire.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 10:53 PM
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface

> That's pretty cool! :)  I didn't know you could do that.  Could we put
> very much text in there?  I was thinking more along the lines of like
> ~20 word strongs definition.
>
> Don A. Elbourne Jr. wrote:
> > Troy,
> >
> > I'm not a big fan of JavaScript. I try to avoid it wherever possible,
but
> > like you said, we may want some features that require it.  You mentioned
> > hover popups for strongs numbers. One option here instead of JavaScript
> > would be to use the "title" attribute of the href tag. I created a
little
> > one verse demo:
> > http://elbourne.org/temp/titlerollo.htm
> >
> > Do you mean something like that? I'm pretty sure all modern browsers
support
> > the title mouseover thing, but I'm not 100% positive. Does it work on
> > Ns/Linux? It works on Mozilla/Win and IE 6. BTW, The links on the demo
go
> > nowhere. I'm assuming we would have them go to a page with the
> > dictionary/lexicon definitions and/or a concordance type listing of
other
> > occurrences of the same word.
> >
> > by grace alone,
> >
> > Don A. Elbourne Jr.
> > http://elbourne.org
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Troy A. Griffitts" <scribe@crosswire.org>
> > To: <sword-devel@crosswire.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 5:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Web Interface
> >
> >
> >
> >>Wow, thanks for all the traffic!
> >>
> >>I'm still really looking for user interface ideas (thanks for the ones
> >>that have been expressed).  The calls to get the data from sword will be
> >>dependent on the dynamic server-side mechanism used; coming up with an
> >>easy access mechanism to the sword engine from an httpd plugin is a
> >>separate issue.  (Joe, jsword is an option to solve this problem if jsp
> >>is the httpd plugin, but I'm not quite sure jsword is there yet, and if
> >>I'm wrong, I'm pretty sure the sword-like api interface isn't close,
> >>right?).
> >>
> >>I definitely understand the point about not using stuff that will make
> >>the tool inaccessible to some.  There are many sites that I can't go to
> >>just because I run NS on Linux!
> >>
> >>BUT, I want cool functionality for those who have it, so we will
> >>probably have an option that can be toggled.  For example, I want hover
> >>popup help for strongs numbers.  Not sure how else to do that without
> >>javascript (WHAT IS ECMAScript?).
> >>
> >>Agreed, no frames.
> >>
> >>OK, any user interface design ideas?  I'd love to see a mockup that
> >>anyone feels inspired to throw together.
> >>
> >>
> >>-Troy.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Hugo van der Kooij wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 YTang0648@aol.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>In a message dated 2/22/2003 8:08:24 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> >>>>infoChi@infomagic.net writes:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>PHP is given out free, the same GPL style as we have but different,
> >>>>
> > there
> >
> >>>>>are many details to it. PHP is made for many different types of
servers
> >>>>
> > and
> >
> >>>>>is very common.
> >>>>
> >>>>A browser which support ECMAScript/JavaScript which called Mozilla is
> >>>
> > also
> >
> >>>>given out free, a different open source license, MPL,  is with it.
> >>>
> > Mozilla is
> >
> >>>>made for many different types of client OS and is very common too. And
> >>>
> > beside
> >
> >>>>it, Netscape7, AOL, CompuServ, IE , Opera, Phoneix, Chimera, Safari
ALSO
> >>>>support JavaScript, CSS and DOM
> >>>>
> >>>>And if people still concern about using ECMAScript/JavaScript in the
web
> >>>>interface because the browser they use is lack of the standard
support,
> >>>
> > I am
> >
> >>>>not sure people will happe with php since there are even no standard
for
> >>>
> > php.
> >
> >>>>I am not agaist the use of php. I am simply against the "no JavaScript
> >>>>please" because my browser do not support it request.
> >>>>
> >>>>Which TEXT based browser do not support JavaScript?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>It seems you are not entirely informed. PHP can be completely
> >>
> > transparant.
> >
> >>>Wether or not valid HTML/XHTML/.... is generated is the programmers
> >>>responsibility.
> >>>
> >>>But javascript is not an option for anyone using any of the following
> >>>browsers:
> >>> - Lynx
> >>> - w3m
> >>> - links
> >>>
> >>>Beyond that I see no point in adding javascript when all issues can be
> >>>handled very well without them.
> >>>
> >>>We want to be accessible to all. While a text browser works for blind
> >>>using a brialle ruler, using frames and/or javascript makes it
> >>
> > completely
> >
> >>>inaccessable to them.
> >>>
> >>>Hugo.
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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