[sword-devel] kjv2003: two splits needed?

[Troy A. Griffitts]

The tagging rules for the article as stated in the guidelines states 
that in most simple cases in the Greek, where there is an article noun 
pair, we do not use the article tag for anything. There ARE instances in 
which the greek article tag IS used, and I think you both are speaking 
of such cases.

I've used it a few time as well. Here is an example:
???? ????? ????? ?? ?????????...
ALLA TOUTO ESTIN TO EIRHMENON...
 >But< ALLA
 >this< TOUTO
 >is< ESTIN
 >that< TO
 >which_was_spoken< EIRHMENON

Let me know if you'd tag it differently.

-Troy.





Keith Ralston wrote:

>>But how?
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>hO tags "who" and "am".  I have been tagging implied verbs with their
>subjects.  KAI tags "also".
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>I had placed the question of implied verbs to the group.  No one responded.
>In each of these cases, I am comfortable with my method for handling the
>tags.  I am looking for consensus in order that we might have consistency.
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>>We must remember we are talkign about giving a tool for English reader
>>to connect Greek/English words. Make it simple. Only rarely we have to
>>take up a stand about syntax.
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>Myself and many others interested in the project use it for research.  I
>want it tagged correctly.  The approach taken by the KJV interpreters is
>clear.  They treated the article as a pronoun.  However, it the consensus is
>to tag no articles, I will comply.
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>>Meddling with semantics would be for experts only.
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>You keep referring to experts.  What is your criteria for an expert?
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>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org
>>[mailto:owner-sword-devel@crosswire.org]On Behalf Of Eeli Kaikkonen
>>Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2002 3:18 AM
>>To: sword-devel@crosswire.org
>>Subject: RE: [sword-devel] kjv2003: two splits needed?
>>
>>
>>On Tue, 10 Dec 2002, Keith Ralston wrote:
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>>>I'm not sure about slicing so thinly between semantics and syntax.
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>>Meddling with semantics would be for experts only. With Greek/English
>>syntax we have to worry about only handful of these difficulties. With
>>semantics we would have ten discussions like this for every verse. This
>>project is quite mechanic, but semantics is always interpretation. I
>>would be interested in taggin real greek syntax (like whole sentences,
>>relations of them etc.) but it would take couple of years of real
>>studying first.
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>>> I agree
>>>with the general approach we've taken to the article.  Our
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>>approach assumes
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>>>the use of the article with a substantive.  This is only a
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>>fraction of the
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>>>article's usage.  I do believe the article to have more
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>>flexibility than our
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>>>rule allows.
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>>We must remember we are talkign about giving a tool for English reader
>>to connect Greek/English words. Make it simple. Only rarely we have to
>>take up a stand about syntax.
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>>> We should tag the exceptions.
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>>But how? In this case (Rev 1:9), would it be best to tag "ho kai" to
>>"who also am"? It would be quite neutral about interpretion. At least
>>more neutral than tagging the article to the relative pronoun.
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>>  Sincerely Yours,
>>      Eeli Kaikkonen <eekaikko@paju.oulu.fi> Suomi Finland
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