[osis-core] OTCite: final call

[Troy A. Griffitts]

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Steve,
	First, I want to thank you for taking the time to read and logically 
articulate your thoughts on the matter so nicely.  I think I see and 
agree with all of your 'fickle waiverings' below :)

Here's one more piece of data to throw in the mix that might bump you to 
one side:  consider the possible ambiguity when the text really IS 
intending to quote the old testament: NOT: He is the STONE WHICH you 
BUILDERS REJECTED; but instead: The Prophet says, "HE WAS LED AWAY AS A 
LAMB TO THE SLAUGHTER"



Real example (TOUGH example) data follows (Lockman code explanations 
attached if you can't guess).

<PM>{{41:12}}35 <RA>And Jesus<MG2424> {began} to say<MG3004>, as He 
<RB>taught<MG1321> in the temple<MG2413>, <RS>``How<MG4459> {is it that} 
the scribes<MG1122> say<MG3004> that <N1>the Christ<MG5547> is the 
<RC>son<MG5207> of David<MG1160b>?<RT> {{41:12}}36 <RS>``David<MG1160b> 
himself<MG846> said<MG3004> <N1>in the Holy<MG40> Spirit<MG4151>,<RT> 
<PO><RS>`<RA>T\HE/ L\ORD<MG2962> SAID<MG3004> TO MY/ L\ORD<MG2962>/,<RT> 
<PO><RS>``S\IT<MG2521> AT/ M\Y RIGHT<MG1188> HAND<MG1188>/,<RT> 
<PO><RS>U\NTIL<MG2193>/ I \PUT<MG5087>/ Y\OUR ENEMIES<MG2190> 
BENEATH<MG5270>/ Y\OUR FEET<MG4228>/."'<RT><PE> {{41:12}}37 
<RS>``David<MG1160b> himself<MG846> calls<MG3004> Him `Lord<MG2962>'; 
so<MG2532> in what<MG4159> sense<MG4159> is He his son<MG5207>?"<RT> And 
<RA>the large<MG4183> crowd<MG3793> <N1>enjoyed<MG2234> listening<MG191> 
to Him.

Steven J. DeRose wrote:
> I have mixed feelings on this one. I'm reluctant to add another element, 
> though at least this is one that we had once before.
> 
> On the other hand, I'm not convinced by arguments re. the use of 
> attributes -- even CSS lets you condition your styling on attributes 
> (conceivably OEB doesn't support that, and I know browsers have some, 
> uh, variation....). I think Troy's point above about misleading 
> rendering from an engine that did ignore the attributes is significant 
> -- but I guess I don't see displaying an (alleged) OT quotation with 
> quotation marks would be so bad.
> 
> On the other hand, I agree completely with whoever pointed out recently 
> that <q> does not equate to having quotations marks. Besides the block 
> quote case, there is a lot more complexity too: nested quotes use 
> different characters, in patterns that differ substantially from locale 
> to locale. Handling of quotes in a multi-paragraph speech or turn in 
> dialog differs with country, language, and probably even publisher; and 
> I know at least Spanish does weird things when quotes are interrupted by 
> "he said" and such things. In other words, quotes are just not simple. 
> If some apps are willing to sacrifice all those nuances, sacrificing the 
> nuance of formatting OTquotes in a special way rather than with 
> quotation marks doesn't seem like a big deal.
> 
> On the other hand (as Tevye said, "No! I am running out of hands!"), the 
> argument that OTquote is a natural notion in the cognitive lexicon of 
> translators seems important.
> 
> So I guess that lands me about dead center re. adding OTquote. I do 
> think that, whatever we do, we need to document it so everybody does it 
> the same way.
> 
> S

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Codes for NASB


CHAPTER ###   Before each chapter (### = a number). No CHAPTER 1 in Bible text
Capi`tulo ### Same as above but in Spanish LBLA

<SH>PSALM ### - Before each Psalm (NASB)
<SH>SALMO ### - Before each Psalm (LBLA)

<SH>BOOK # - 4 times in Psalms (NASB)
<SH>LIBRO ??? - 4 times in Pslams (LBLA)

<BN>    Book name
<PN>    Line is poetry - after verse number
<PO>    Line is poetry - not after verse number
<PE>    Poetry end and the next line is prose
<SH>    Line is a sub-head and should be italic. Use is optional.
        Subhead is inside these verses: Gen. 35:23, 2 Samuel 12:16,
        1 Chron. 29:23, Acts 9:20, Acts 10:23
<SS>    Line is a Psalm sub-head and should not be italic.
        It's part of the Bible text.
<SF>    Before Hebrew transliteration in Psalms
<F###>  Footnote superior - optional (### = a number) (Not
        included if <$F is used)
<$F     Footnote text follows
>>      Ends footnote text
<R*>    Reference superior - optional (* = a letter)
<N#>    Note superior - optional (# = a number, not used if Footnotes are used)
<NA>    Superior dagger in Psalm subhead
<NB>    Superior dot in Psalm subhead
<NC>    Superior carrot in Psalm subhead
\       Start small caps.
/       End small caps.
{       Start italic
}       End italic
{{x:y}} x=book number (1=Gen, 40=Mat). y=chapter
<PM>    New paragraph marker
<MH#####> Hebrew NAS Exhaustive Concordance Dictionary number (NASB Only)
<MG#####> Greek NAS Exhaustive Concordance Dictionary number (NASB Only)

``      Open double quote
"       Close double quote
`       Open single quote
'       Close single quote

*       An * in the text marks verbs that are historical presents in
        the Greek which have been translated with an English past tense
        in order to conform to modern usage.
--      Long dash
<HL>    Special indent in Acts and Rev.
<,>     Superior comma
<RS>    Red letter starts
<RT>    Red letter ends

Selah    does not have a code but can be flush right in books Ps(19) and Hab(35).
Higgaion Selah   Occurs once in Ps(19)



Used in LBLA only
<?>     Upside down question mark.
<!>     Upside down exclamation mark.
n~   ~ on preceding letter. (n~)
N~   ~ on preceding letter. (N~) 
a`    Accent mark on preceding letter (a`).
e`    Accent mark on preceding letter (e`).
i`     Accent mark on preceding letter (i`).
o`    Accent mark on preceding letter (o`).
u`    Accent mark on preceding letter (u`).
u<DI>     Duress's.
U<DI>    Duress's.


In Reference Files Only


+@  Thin Space

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