[osis-core] quotes

[Patrick Durusau]

Steve,

Have been through dozens of posts where we talk about this issue and I 
suspect the splitID attribute was intended for that purpose. Suspect it 
got confused with reformation of the milestone elements and dropped.

Suspect that there are a lot of co-indexing cases so is there a motion 
to add the splitID back (global?). Won't be used for divs and the like, 
at least hopefully not often but when it is needed, as Steve points out, 
you really need the ability.

Suggestions?

Hope you are having a great day!

Patrick

Steven J. DeRose wrote:
> Seems to me there are a couple questions in here....
> 
> 1) Quotes interrupted by something, like "she said with a smile; then 
> ocntinuing with a less friendly expression,", etc -- in this case, there 
> is a good case that the stuff on both sides form a discontiguous but 
> single quotation.
> 
> In such cases, I think it would be valuable to be able to say that. I 
> know two ways to do that:
> 
> a: co-index the quotes before and after (like with "continued-in" and 
> "continues" attributes, or some such -- a lot like segmentation, but I 
> agree with Troy that it's not the same thing conceptually..
> 
> b: Mark the interrupting text as such (semantically, flagging it so that 
> it doesn't inherit the property "is a quote" (or "is a quote of the same 
> level", in certain grosser cases), from the quote; then mark the whole 
> quote as a unit. This seems trickier, especially to process, so I favor 
> (a).
> 
> The other question involves the relationship of these structures to 
> typography. English, I think, is one of the easier languages. It does 
> have the silliness (IMHO) about leaving the close quote off of a 
> paragraph when the quote continues into the next paragraph, but *not* 
> leaving off the balancing re-open quote at the start of the next para), 
> but that's not too hard to process as a special case in your XSL (I 
> think). But I believe Spanish typography has much more complicated 
> conventions, that let you tell from the punctuation whether you're in 
> the first part, a medial part, or the last part of a discontiguous 
> quotation -- I don't know the rules, but I'm pretty sure they'd rquire 
> at least knowing which quoted bits are part of the same conceptual 
> quotation.
> 
> This knowledge is also needed to do sensible searching: "Where did Jesus 
> say X?" can't just be treated as Select element e where e.type = "Q" and 
> e.text contains X.... because His utterance may have been split across 
> Qs -- even though the SQL to do the query right will be gross, I think 
> we should at least have enough markup to make it *possible".
> 
> You could typeset a red-letter edition fine without this, but search 
> imposes more requirements.
> 
> So I favor some way of marking up what part of a quote we're in -- I 
> remember adding something for that after huge discussions after the Rome 
> meeting -- but I don't remember what the resolution was. Anybody 
> remember? It's suely in the notes somewhere....
> 
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Patrick Durusau
Director of Research and Development
Society of Biblical Literature
Patrick.Durusau@sbl-site.org
Chair, V1 - Text Processing: Office and Publishing Systems Interface
Co-Editor, ISO 13250, Topic Maps -- Reference Model

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