[osis-core] allowing "short" as a <title> type

[Todd Tillinghast]

Chris,

I think there are two independent issues: 
1) Should the "short" title be encoded outside of the header?
I don't believe that everything that is encoded should be a part of the
"text stream".  Even if SFM files did not have a 'short' name I think it
is still a useful practice to encode the short form of a title.  The
values I have used in <title type='short'> are not abbreviations.  The
short title "Matthew" is not an abbreviation for "The Gospel According
to Matthew".  It should up the rendering process to determine how,
where, and which title will be used (if at all).  On this basis I think
it makes sense to add "short" to osisTitles.

2) How should "divTitle" be used and what is its meaning?
I agree that "divTitle" would mean the title of the entire <div>.
However, there can be more than one title that applies to the entire
<div> element.  I think title element(s) that directly follows a <div>
are expected to apply to the entire <div> element they follow.  

>From what you wrote below it would seem that you agree that we should
expect that encoders would use either "divTitle" or a child <title>
element.  It would seem difficult to explain when "divTitle" should be
used and when a <title> element should be used.  It is possible that in
some cases the title would be in a 'divTitle' element but in other cases
because another title supersedes the same type of title that a <title>
element would be used.

I still think it makes sense to remove "divTitle".

Todd

> -----Original Message-----
> From: osis-core-admin@bibletechnologieswg.org [mailto:osis-core-
> admin@bibletechnologieswg.org] On Behalf Of Chris Little
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 3:30 PM
> To: osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org
> Subject: Re: [osis-core] allowing "short" as a <title> type
> 
> Todd,
> 
> The short title is partly an SFM artifact.  Although we should work to
> accomodate data (at least Bibles) held in SFM because some of our
users
> have a lot of data in that format, we should avoid being too
influenced
> by the design of SFM, which is largely unreasoned and the result of
bad
> practices of individuals being adopted as standard.
> 
> That said, others do acknowledge the short title, but they do not
> generally present it in the same way as other titles.  The short title
> is not actually an independent title, it's the short form, an
> abbreviation, of the real title.  It's not part of the document
stream,
> but metadata.  Whether by intention or not, we've done a good job of
> ensuring that (outside of the header section) all PCDATA is part of
the
> document stream.
> 
> <title> and divTitle have somewhat different semantics.  <title>
simply
> indicates a title to something, without indicating what that thing is.
> It can realistically occur anywhere within those elements that can
> contain it and does not necessarily indicate that it is the title of
its
> entire container.  divTitle does necessarily represent the title of
the
> whole <div>.  divTitle is not necessarily the place to put a short
> title, but doing so would follow the practice of both CCEL and me.  (I
> do think <title> is the wrong place to put a short title, unless we
were
> to add an abbr attribute to <title>--which I'm not suggesting.)  I
also
> consider it perfectly appropriate to place a full title within
divTitle
> in the absense of something else more appropriate.
> 
> --Chris
> 
> 
> Todd Tillinghast wrote:
> 
> >Patrick and Chris,
> >
> >I acknowledge that we agreed that we should use divTitle for the
"short"
> >name of a Bible book.
> >
> >However, I believe that after we added divTitle months ago that we
now
> >are seeing that there may be several different "titles" for the same
> ><div>.
> >
> >PROPOSAL: remove or deprecate divTitle and encourage <title> or
<title
> >type="???"> and add "short" as a value for type in <title>.
> >
> >Another reason to remove divTitle is that it simplifies the model and
> >the training.  At present our documentation would have to say "for
most
> >titles in <div> use a <title> element, but for the special case of a
> >Bible book name use the divTitle attribute".   Are there other cases
> >where divTitle should be used?
> >
> >If so, when do we use divTitle and when do we use a <title> element.
> >Lets remove this attribute that will lead to confusion and
> >inconsistency.
> >
> >Todd
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
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