[osis-core] <lb> element - did we make a mistake when we added
it?
Patrick Durusau
osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org
Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:16:32 -0400
Todd,
Yes.
Patrick
Todd Tillinghast wrote:
>Will <lb/> be available outside of <l>?
>
>Todd
>
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: osis-core-admin@bibletechnologieswg.org [mailto:osis-core-
>>admin@bibletechnologieswg.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Durusau
>>Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:57 AM
>>To: osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org
>>Subject: Re: [osis-core] <lb> element - did we make a mistake when we
>>added it?
>>
>>Todd,
>>
>>Just deprecating <milestonePT type="line'/>. Not eliminating so to
>>
>>
>avoid
>
>
>>breaking prior documents.
>>
>>Patrick
>>
>>Todd Tillinghast wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Patrick,
>>>
>>>So <lb/> will NOT be limited to <l> and will talk the place of
>>><milestonePT type="line"/>. Is this correct?
>>>
>>>(I am not disagreeing only trying to clarify the conclusion.)
>>>
>>>Todd
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: osis-core-admin@bibletechnologieswg.org
>>>>[mailto:osis-core-admin@bibletechnologieswg.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>Patrick Durusau
>>>>Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:07 AM
>>>>To: osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org
>>>>Subject: Re: [osis-core] <lb> element - did we make a mistake
>>>>when we added it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Todd,
>>>>
>>>>Going to leave milestonePt type of line but deprecate.
>>>>
>>>>Note that <lb/> carries the type attribute (occupied in
>>>>milestonePt) so
>>>>publishers can classify the <lb/> for one column display, two column
>>>>display, etc.
>>>>
>>>>Hope you are having a great day!
>>>>
>>>>Patrick
>>>>
>>>>Todd Tillinghast wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Chris,
>>>>>
>>>>>What do you mean by "orthographic" lines? Can you give a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>few examples?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Todd
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>>From: osis-core-admin@bibletechnologieswg.org [mailto:osis-core-
>>>>>>admin@bibletechnologieswg.org] On Behalf Of Chris Little
>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:47 PM
>>>>>>To: osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [osis-core] <lb> element - did we make a
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>mistake when we
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>added it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Todd Tillinghast wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>><snip>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I don't think marking linebreaks (in addition to the lines
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>themselves)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>in poetry is a common occurrence at all. I've never seen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>it outside
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>the CEV, and I think that occurrence is arguably bad practice,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>though
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>it's not our place to fix the translators' mistakes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I agree that it is a more rare case and that my perspective is
>>>>>>>influenced by spending time with the CEV.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If it is RARE then we should consider REMOVING <lb/> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>forcing the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>CEV
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>(who may likely be the sole user of the <lb/> element) to use
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>><milestone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>type="line"/> and admit that we were unduly influenced by a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>single
>
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>text
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>at the time of the meeting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, we didn't necessarily make a mistake by adding <lb/>.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>I really
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>think it's reasonable to switch to <lb> from <milestone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>type="line">,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>especially if <lb> has special types associated with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I also think it would be sensible to state that all
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>orthographic lines
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>should be marked by <lb> rather than <l>, which would make
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>><lb> much
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>more common than it currently is, at least outside of Bibles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>Director of Research and Development
>>>>Society of Biblical Literature
>>>>Patrick.Durusau@sbl-site.org
>>>>Co-Editor, ISO 13250, Topic Maps -- Reference Model
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>>Director of Research and Development
>>Society of Biblical Literature
>>Patrick.Durusau@sbl-site.org
>>Co-Editor, ISO 13250, Topic Maps -- Reference Model
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Patrick Durusau
Director of Research and Development
Society of Biblical Literature
Patrick.Durusau@sbl-site.org
Co-Editor, ISO 13250, Topic Maps -- Reference Model
Topic Maps: Human, not artificial, intelligence at work!