[osis-core] quotes

[Patrick Durusau]

Troy,

Delayed post on quotes:

Apparently the Gideons made it to my dentist office at some time in the 
past and left a KJV edition of the Bible. I remembered the passage 
clearly enough to check the markup and found none.

Is that your experience with other translations? (Does not answer your 
question about the NKJV but thought it was worth mentioning.)

Not unsympathetic to the continuation type for quote, but curious why 
you are not using milestone_Start and milestone_End, which were meant 
(as I recall, caution, may be convenient memory) were designed for this 
sort of case. You could use type to carry quote-L2 or quote-L3 or some 
such to indicate the quote level.

Or am I missing something really obvious? (Caution, I may well be. I am 
very tired and there is no extended rest in sight. May try to blow off 
the coming weekend just to get caught up before the next big push.)

Patrick

Troy A. Griffitts wrote:

> Hey guys.  Got some quote questions for you all.  Again, I go to 
> extremely difficult problems in the minor prophets.  Please see after 
> example for my immediate question.
>
> Here's an excerpt from the NKJV, Jer 2:1-.  I've tried to 'codify' the 
> quotes and indentation to help see the hierarchy:
>
> _________________________
>
> 1. Moreover the word of the LORD came to me, saying,  2.
> "
>   Go and cry in the hearing of Jerusalem, saying,
>   '
>     Thus says the LORD:
>     "
>       I remember you, The kindness of your youth, The love of your
>       betrothal, When you went after Me in the wilderness, In a
>       land not sown.  3. Israel [was] holiness to the LORD, The
>       firstfruits of His increase.  All that devour him will
>       offend; Disaster will come upon them,
>     "
>     says the LORD.
>   '
> "
> 4. Hear the word of the LORD, O house of Jacob and all the
> families of the house of Israel.  5. Thus says the LORD:
> "
>   What injustice have your fathers found in Me, That they have gone
>   far from Me, Have followed idols, And have become idolaters?
>   6. Neither did they say,
>   '
>     Where [is] the LORD, Who brought us up out of the land of Egypt,
>     Who led us through the wilderness, Through a land of deserts
>     and pits, Through a land of drought and the shadow of death,
>     Through a land that no one crossed And where no one dwelt?
>   '
>   7. I brought you into a bountiful country, To eat its fruit
>   and its goodness. But when you entered, you defiled My land
>   And made My heritage an abomination.  8. The priests did not say,
>   '
>     Where [is] the LORD?
>   '
>   And those who handle the law did not know Me; The rulers
>   also transgressed against Me; The prophets prophesied
>   by Baal, And walked after [things that] do not profit.
>   9.
> <****conflict here**** no ending ">
> "
>   Therefore I will yet bring charges against you,
> "
> says the LORD,...
>
>
> _________________________
>
> Verse 9 has a 'continuation quote' that started in verse 5.  I think 
> the NKJV does this when a new paragraph begins and the quote spans the 
> paragraph, eg.
>
> This is a long quote, "Hello this is my first paragraph.
> "This is my second paragraph."
>
> Here is another example from John 7:21:
> _________________________
>
> 21. Jesus answered and said to them, "I did one work, and you all marvel.
> 22. "Moses therefore gave you circumcision (not that it is from Moses, 
> but from the fathers), and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath.
> 23. "If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath, so that the law of 
> Moses should not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made a man 
> completely well on the Sabbath?
> 24. "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous 
> judgment."
> _________________________
>
> the quote starts in 21, and continues thru 24.  There are 
> 'continuation quotes' starting verses 22, 23, and 24.
>
>
> HOW IN THE WORLD SHOULD WE MARK THESE UP?
>
> My thoughts:
>
> 1) Segmentation should not be the suggested mechanism do this. 
> Segmentation is for CODING PROBLEMS of hierarchy and constitute ONE 
> LOGICAL element, when reconstructed programmatically.  This is a very 
> different thing that actual content segmentation symbols intended for 
> the reader.
>
> 2) suggestion: <q type="continuation" />
>
> 3) alternate suggestion: no markup at all.  Just remove the 
> continuation quotes and let the renderer decide that it needs to 
> insert the appropriate "'` or whatever/whenever the renderer feels the 
> need to show continuation quotes.
>
> I think enabling authors to mark these up in text is best, so I prefer 
> something like the suggestion in 2.
>
> Thoughts?
>         -Troy.
>
>
>

-- 
Patrick Durusau
Director of Research and Development
Society of Biblical Literature
pdurusau@emory.edu