[osis-core] OSIS book abbreviations

[Harry Plantinga]

Well, the simplest solution is to use Esth.1 through Esth.10 
for book Esth and GrEsth.1 through GrEsth.16 for Esther (Greek),
of course...

It's not strictly true to say that Esth.2.2 or some other verse
is the same in Esther and Esther (Greek). Sometimes it's very 
similar, sometimes quite different.

If we want to use the same ID twice, Esth.2.2 for both the
Hebrew and Greek version, is a request for Esth.2.2 supposed to
return both of them? If not, which one?  Bonus points if your
answer applies in general, not just for Esth -- this problem
will arise in other situations.  E.g. a book has a certain
bible passage repeated a number of times. 

I suppose it would have to return all instances, wouldn't it.
Else how could you access the other instances.

The general problem of how to use osisIDs as identifiers when
they are not required to be unique is a bit sticky.  It almost
requires that we have a second, document-specific ID system
that lets us identify particular instances.

Or should there be a syntax that lets you chose "the second
instance of Esther.2.2"?

-Harry



> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org 
> [mailto:owner-osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org] On Behalf Of 
> Todd Tillinghast
> Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 4:10 PM
> To: osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org
> Subject: RE: [osis-core] OSIS book abbreviations
> 
> 
> 1) The fact that text might be presented twice in a single 
> document poses an interesting situation.  Previously I would 
> have expected to see an identifier associated with more than 
> one element in cases where "different" text is identified by 
> the same identifier.  The new case is where the SAME text is 
> present twice in the same document.  This should be OK since 
> osisIDs are NOT unique identifiers for the elements they identify.
> 
> 2) If Ester is encoded in two book type divisions, what 
> should the osisID for the <div> be?  It seems that there 
> would be NO osisID for either <div> because neither contains 
> Ester in its entirety.  Three encoding options seem possible:
> a) An osisRef could be used in both cases, but there would be 
> no element identified by osisID="Estr".  The trouble would be 
> that document users would reasonably expect to find an 
> element with osisID="Estr" in a document that is the entire Bible.  
> b) On the other had if one of the two is identified as 
> osisID="Estr" then the document user would reasonably assume 
> that the <div> contains Ester in its entirety.
> c) If both <div> elements are identified as osisID="Estr" 
> then either could be assumed to be Ester in its entirety.  
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Todd
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org [mailto:owner-osis- 
> > core@bibletechnologieswg.org] On Behalf Of Chris Little
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:12 AM
> > To: osis-core@bibletechnologieswg.org
> > Subject: RE: [osis-core] OSIS book abbreviations
> > 
> > On Tue, 8 Oct 2002, Harry Plantinga wrote:
> > 
> > > SBL abbreviations have Esth and AddEsth, which is the source from 
> > > which this thread arose.  I thought it was confusing to call it 
> > > AddEsth when the book actually contains all of Esther, as 
> translated 
> > > from the Greek. (It might also be considered slightly 
> derogatory by 
> > > those who don't consider chs. 11-16 to be "additions.")
> > 
> > Okay, we've definitely got a difference of interpretation 
> of the SBL 
> > abbreviations.  I interpret AddEsth to mean just the additions to
> Esther,
> > as an independent book with JUST the additions, not the portions
> contained
> > in both the heb & grk books (which I would interpret as covered by
> Esth,
> > in both cases).  I would not use AddEsth for the NRSV at 
> all, at least
> if
> > I were encoding the printed edition that I have.
> > 
> > > As I understand your proposal, Chris, you would delete 
> the AddEsth 
> > > book entirely from the list of abbreviations and only use 
> Esth -- is 
> > > that right?  Or would you identify chapters 11..16 of 
> Esther (Greek) 
> > > with the AddEsth bookID?
> > 
> > So... no, I wouldn't delete AddEsth, just use it in the 
> manner that I 
> > described.  I believe that is the intent of the abbreviations.
> > 
> > --Chris
> > 
> 
>