[osis-core] Fw: I'm trying to understand reasons for quotes and to give examples

[Eric Albright]

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From: "Eric and Allison Albright" <eric-allison_albright@sil.org>
To: "Jim Albright" <jim_albright@sil.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2002 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: I'm trying to understand reasons for quotes and to give examples


Ephesians 4.10. Yes. Mentioned
--What does [the phrase] "he ascended" mean except that he also descended
to the lower, earthly regions.

2 Corinthians 1.19. I think that is actually a quote here. Perhaps a
<socalled> around "Amen"

1 Corinthians 10.24 Again, a quote.

Mark 7.18 soCalled
--"Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make
him
[so-called] 'unclean'?

Mark 7.19 tricky This has made me rethink the earlier response about God
calling the light "day". I think they might be related although I don't see
here that you could add [the word] before it so I'm leaning towards calling
this soCalled. The author is not claiming responsibility for this. I don't
think it works as a quote either. Then the question is whether the Genesis
passage should also be soCalled. My gut tells me it is better as mentioned
since you can't add the words [so-called] before it and make sense.
--For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his
body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")

Luke 20.6 quote

Reference? Yes. soCalled.
--5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as
indeed there are many [so-called] "gods" and many [so-called] "lords"),

Luke 15.2 Yes. soCalled.
--Now the tax collectors and [so-called] "sinners" were all gathering around
to hear him.

Ephesians 2.11 Yes. soCalled

1TI 6.20 Yes. soCalled

REV2.24 Yes soCalled

1 Corinthians 1.21 Yes. soCalled.
1 Corinthians 8.6 Yes. soCalled.
1 Corinthians 8.10 Yes. soCalled.
2 Corinthians 11.5 Yes. soCalled.

yes to all examples of which means ..... translation of foreign word or
phrase  use <gloss>

Looks good.

Glad to see you are wrestling with some of the more interesting decisions.

Eric

----- Original Message -----
From: <Jim_Albright@sil.org>
To: <eric_albright@sil.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 11:03 PM
Subject: I'm trying to understand reasons for quotes and to give examples


Looking for examples of mentioned. Is this one?

(What does "he ascended" mean except that he also descended to the lower,
earthly regions ? ? 4.10 NIV Ephesians 4.10 He who descended is the very
one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole
universe.)

and these

18 But as surely as God is faithful, our message to you is not "Yes" and
"No." 1.19 NIV 2 Corinthians 1.19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was
preached among you by me and Silas ? and Timothy, was not "Yes" and "No,"
but in him it has always been "Yes." 1.20 NIV 2 Corinthians 1.20 For no
matter how many promises God has made, they are "Yes" in Christ. And so
through him the "Amen" is spoken by us to the glory of God

again

23 "Everything is permissible"?but not everything is beneficial.
"Everything is permissible"?but not everything is constructive. 10.24 NIV 1
Corinthians 10.24 Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others.

and
clean and unclean
17 After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked
him about this parable. 7.18 NIV Mark 7.18 "Are you so dull?" he asked.
"Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him
'unclean'? 7.19 NIV Mark 7.19 For it doesn't go into his heart but into his
stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all
foods "clean.")
NIV Mark 7.20
7.20 NIV Mark 7.20 He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him
'unclean.' 7.21 NIV Mark 7.21 For from within, out of men's hearts, come
evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 7.22 NIV Mark
7.22 greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly.
7.23 NIV Mark 7.23 All these evils come from inside and make a man
'unclean.' "
7.24 The Faith of a Syrophoenician Woman

what about hypothetical speech

5 They discussed it among themselves and said, "If we say, 'From heaven,'
he will ask, 'Why didn't you believe him?' 20.6 NIV Luke 20.6 But if we
say, 'From men,' all the people will stone us, because they are persuaded
that John was a prophet."
NIV Luke 20.7


so called? use <soCalled>
5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as
indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"),

Now the tax collectors and "sinners" were all gathering around to hear
him. 15.2 NIV Luke 15.2 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law
muttered, "This man welcomes sinners and eats with them."
NIV Luke 15.3

another
11 Therefore remember that formerly you, the Gentiles in the flesh?who are
called "uncircumcision" by the so-called "circumcision" that is performed
in the body t by hands? 2.12 NET Ephesians 2.12 that you were at that time
without the Messiah, t alienated from the citizenship of Israel and
strangers to the covenants of promise, t

NET 1TI 6.20 O Timothy, protect what has been entrusted to you. Avoid t the
profane chatter and absurdities t of so-called "knowledge."

NET REV2.24 But to the rest of you in Thyatira, all who do not hold to this
teaching s (who have not learned the so-called 'deep secrets t of Satan'),
to you I say: I do not put any additional burden on you.

Instead, by means of the so-called "foolish" message we preach, God decided
to save those who believe. 1.22 TEV 1 Corinthians 1.22 Jews want miracles
for proof, and Greeks look for wisdom.

5 Even if there are so-called "gods," whether in heaven or on earth, and
even though there are many of these "gods" and "lords," 8.6 TEV 1
Corinthians 8.6 yet there is for us only one God, the Father, who is the
Creator of all things and for whom we live; and there is only one Lord,
Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created and through whom
we live.

10 Suppose a person whose conscience is weak in this matter sees you, who
have so-called "knowledge," eating in the temple of an idol; will not this
encourage him to eat food offered to idols? 8.11 TEV 1 Corinthians 8.11


11.5 TEV 2 Corinthians 11.5   I do not think that I am the least bit
inferior to those very special so-called "apostles" of yours!

which means ..... translation of foreign word or phrase  use <gloss>

(That is why the place was called Marah, which means "bitter.")
NLT Exodus 15:24

 6.32 NLT Judges 6.32 From then on Gideon was called Jerubbaal, which means
"Let Baal defend himself," because he knocked down Baal's altar.

So David named that place Baal-perazim (which means "the Lord who bursts
through").

 11.34 TEV Numbers 11.34 That place was named Kibroth Hattaavah (which
means "Graves of Craving"), because there they buried the people who had
craved meat.

 1.36 TEV 2 Maccabees 1.36 Nehemiah and his friends called the liquid
nephthar, which means 'purification,' but most people call it 'naphtha.'

 1.23 TEV Matthew 1.23 ? "A virgin will become pregnant and have a son,
and he will be called Immanuel" (which means, "God is with us").

 27.33 TEV Matthew 27.33 They came to a place called Golgotha, which means,
"The Place of the Skull."

 27.46 TEV Matthew 27.46 ? At about three o'clock Jesus cried out with a
loud shout, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why
did you abandon me?"

 3.17 TEV Mark 3.17 James and his brother John, the sons of Zebedee (Jesus
gave them the name Boanerges, which means "Men of Thunder");

 5.41 TEV Mark 5.41 He took her by the hand and said to her, "Talitha,
koum," which means, "Little girl, I tell you to get up!"

 7.34 TEV Mark 7.34 Then Jesus looked up to heaven, gave a deep groan, and
said to the man, "Ephphatha," which means, "Open up!"
TEV Mark 7.35

 15.22 TEV Mark 15.22 They took Jesus to a place called Golgotha, which
means "The Place of the Skull."

 15.34 TEV Mark 15.34 ? At three o'clock Jesus cried out with a loud
shout, "Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?" which means, "My God, my God, why
did you abandon me?"

 1.19 TEV Acts 1.19 All the people living in Jerusalem heard about it, and
so in their own language they call that field Akeldama, which means "Field
of Blood.")


4.36 TEV Acts 4.36  And so it was that Joseph, a Levite born in Cyprus,
whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means "One who Encourages"),

7 NCV Hebrews 7.1 Melchizedek ? was the king of Salem and a priest for
God Most High. He met Abraham when Abraham was coming back after defeating
the kings. When they met, Melchizedek blessed Abraham, 7.2 NCV Hebrews
7.2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything he had brought back from the
battle. First, Melchizedek's name means "king of goodness," and he is king
of Salem, which means "king of peace."




Jim Albright
Wycliffe Bible Translators