[jsword-devel] jsword-devel Digest, Vol 58, Issue 7
Tonny Kohar
tonny.kohar at gmail.com
Wed Mar 4 21:08:25 MST 2009
Hi,
On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Yiguang Hu <yighu at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> NetBean follows new development such as plugin quite well. Both Netbean and Eclipse need some good memory to work fast enough to respond your typing.
>
> IntelliJ needs less memory than Netbean and update support for new plugins quite well. It even has Scala plugin now.
>
Depending on Netbeans bundle (it is divided into at least 3 package)
- Netbeans Java SE (this is very light), I use this one :)
- Netbeans Java (this is moderate, and have all those Java EE things)
- Netbeans All (this one is heavy, so if you are using all those
features, it is better to use the either one of the above), this one
incude C/C++, Grail, PHP, etc
So if you choose the right package, it is a pleasant to develop in
Netbeans. Besides, since ver 5 (If my memory correct), Netbeans is
using lazy loading a lot, so any features that you are not using will
not be started, so startup is quite fast.
Cheers
Tonny Kohar
>
>
>
> --- On Wed, 3/4/09, jsword-devel-request at crosswire.org <jsword-devel-request at crosswire.org> wrote:
>
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>> Subject: jsword-devel Digest, Vol 58, Issue 7
>> To: jsword-devel at crosswire.org
>> Date: Wednesday, March 4, 2009, 12:31 PM
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>> 1. Radical Presentation (Yiguang Hu)
>> 2. Re: Flexible layout (Daniel Owens)
>> 3. Re: Flexible layout (Tonny Kohar)
>> 4. Java IDE (Troy A. Griffitts)
>> 5. Re: Java IDE (Brian Fernandes)
>> 6. Re: Java IDE (Manfred Bergmann)
>> 7. Re: Java IDE (David Botterill)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:45:47 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Yiguang Hu <yighu at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [jsword-devel] Radical Presentation
>> To: jsword-devel at crosswire.org
>> Message-ID:
>> <154613.37869.qm at web36103.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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>>
>> Joe said:
>> "We could potentialy do something interesting by
>> changing the rendering from
>> HTML to Java2D, or even JavaFX. That way we could overcome
>> the limitation of
>> scrollbars and a pre-populated text box. By only rendering
>> the text of the
>> screen, we could have whole Bible scrolling that was way
>> faster than the
>> current rendering.
>>
>> Anyway, that was all a bit radical."
>>
>> I heard people mention grails group doing things like this.
>> When it is ready, Similar to grails prod war/grails test
>> war, there would be something like:
>>
>> grails desktop jar
>> or
>> grails web war
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 07:55:54 +0700
>> From: Daniel Owens <dhowens at pmbx.net>
>> Subject: Re: [jsword-devel] Flexible layout
>> To: J-Sword Developers Mailing List
>> <jsword-devel at crosswire.org>
>> Message-ID: <49ADD19A.10006 at pmbx.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>>
>>
>>
>> DM Smith wrote:
>> > There are a bunch of SWORD/JSword applications. Until
>> very recently,
>> > The SWORD Project for Windows and Bible Desktop (BD)
>> were the only
>> > ones available for Windows. Mac OS had BD and
>> MacSword. On Linux,
>> > there was BibleTime, GnomeSword (now renamed Xiphos)
>> and BD. (This is
>> > not to minimize AlKitab as it like BD runs on the same
>> platforms.)
>> >
>> > This is changing. Xiphos now runs on Windows. Soon
>> BibleTime will run
>> > on Windows and Macs.
>> >
>> > In discussions on the sword-devel mailing list, we
>> have noted that
>> > these apps do pretty much the same thing, with some
>> significant
>> > feature differences. No one app has run away with the
>> prize. There are
>> > a variety of reasons, but I think the most common
>> reason is that a
>> > user's favorite app works the way that they want
>> to approach scripture
>> > reading and/or study.
>> >
>> > The current layout of BD assumes that the primary use
>> is that of
>> > reading the Bible. Our goal for Bible Desktop is to
>> have a simple,
>> > uncluttered interface, where the user can
>> show/hide/adapt it to suit
>> > their desires. This is not quite full reality. We
>> have had requests
>> > to show/hide the right hand panel and to show/hide the
>> built-in daily
>> > reading plan.
>> >
>> > We have also had requests to make it a premier study
>> tool complete
>> > with deep linguistic analysis.
>> >
>> I have spoken up in favor of this, but I think what is
>> below is more
>> important.
>> > I think to make BD the killer application, we need to
>> address both of
>> > these ends of the spectrum.
>> >
>> > Here is where my head is at regarding this:
>> > 1) The user should be able to show/hide components of
>> BD.
>> > 2) The user should be able to organize those
>> components as they see
>> > fit: side-by-side, tabbed, separate windows, ....
>> > 3) They shouldn't have to do it each time they
>> start the application.
>> >
>> Yes. These are good priorities. Linguistic analysis is not
>> a strength of
>> SWORD in general yet, but once the gui itself reaches the
>> above goals I
>> would love to see complex linguistic searches possible.
>> > Today, for the Bible view, you either get a Multiple
>> Document
>> > Interface, aka MDI or a Tabbed Document Interface,
>> TDI. I don't like
>> > that dichotomy. And there is no Separate Document
>> Interface, SDI,
>> > where each BibleView gets its own top-level window.
>> Sometimes I want
>> > the tabs, but other times I want to see two tabs (out
>> of several
>> > more), side-by-side. There are times that I'd like
>> to tear off a tab
>> > and make it a separate standalone window. (And I
>> imagine, I might want
>> > to put it back.)
>> >
>> > The other thing is the notion of plugins. The idea
>> here is that a
>> > plugin would be independent from the main application
>> and could be
>> > added/removed and shown/hidden at will. Once added and
>> shown, it could
>> > be place as above. This probably will satisfy 1).
>> >
>> > It was noted that the NetBeans and Eclipse look and
>> feel get in the
>> > way. Largely, I agree. But, they provide these
>> capabilities for free.
>> >
>> > This and solving the rendering problems that Peter
>> noted are the two
>> > strategic implementations I have for a 2.0 release.
>> >
>> > I'd like feedback.
>> >
>> > In Him,
>> > DM
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/jsword-devel
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:23:48 +0700
>> From: Tonny Kohar <tonny.kohar at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [jsword-devel] Flexible layout
>> To: J-Sword Developers Mailing List
>> <jsword-devel at crosswire.org>
>> Message-ID:
>> <f75892d60903031923h2dfdeefbn7dc13922eb4dcc0c at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> > The other thing is the notion of plugins. The idea
>> here is that a plugin
>> > would be independent from the main application and
>> could be added/removed
>> > and shown/hidden at will. Once added and shown, it
>> could be place as above.
>> > This probably will satisfy 1).
>> >
>> > It was noted that the NetBeans and Eclipse look and
>> feel get in the way.
>> > Largely, I agree. But, they provide these capabilities
>> for free.
>> >
>>
>> If you have problem with Netbeans/Eclipse/etc due it is
>> heavy, look
>> and feel, or some other reason. I hear good things about
>> pico
>> container, it is lightweight and easy to use. The only
>> drawback, pico
>> container is only do plugins stuff. You still need to
>> create or use
>> other library for windowing/docking, etc
>>
>> Cheers
>> Tonny Kohar
>> --
>> Alkitab Bible Study
>> imagine, design, create ...
>> http://www.kiyut.com
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:00:46 +0000
>> From: "Troy A. Griffitts"
>> <scribe at crosswire.org>
>> Subject: [jsword-devel] Java IDE
>> To: JSword Developers' Forum
>> <jsword-devel at crosswire.org>
>> Message-ID: <49AEA5AE.7060507 at crosswire.org>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Hey Guys,
>>
>> Sorry for this slightly off-topic email, but since JBuilder
>> folded I've
>> been lost.
>>
>> I have tried and tried and TRIED to like Eclipse, but after
>> years of
>> trying, I'm giving up. My conclusion is that Eclipse
>> barely functions
>> when I finally get all the disparate pieces and tools
>> updated and
>> configured how they're supposed to be. It's sad.
>> It's a great concept,
>> but in practice, it does not compare to a commercial tool
>> integrated and
>> packaged by a single organization-- which I fear is the
>> same for our
>> software sometimes.
>>
>> But anyway, I'll end my rant and reflection at that.
>>
>> Can anyone suggest a new tool for me to try? I'm
>> considering NetBeans,
>> only because I know of no others.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> -Troy.
>>
>> PS. Usage, and what I miss from JBuilder: JSP
>> editing/debugging, remote
>> edit via scp, database aware swing components, gui wysiwyg
>> swing
>> editing, jar application packaging (dependency slurping to
>> single jar),
>> vi editing!, and of course I'd like to have a nice js
>> editor, but
>> haven't ever seen one in the wild.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:46:52 +0530
>> From: Brian Fernandes <infernalproteus at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [jsword-devel] Java IDE
>> To: J-Sword Developers Mailing List
>> <jsword-devel at crosswire.org>
>> Message-ID: <49AEA974.1060601 at gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Troy,
>>
>> Have you tried MyEclipse? It has most of what you miss from
>> JBuilder. It
>> still is Eclipse based, but should have all you need
>> already configured
>> and polished, ready to go.
>>
>> Disclaimer: I work for Genuitec and I am the MyEclipseIDE
>> team lead.
>> We're working on the MyEclipse 7.1 release right now
>> which should be
>> released in a few day. I'm sure you'll like the JS
>> editor we have in it too.
>>
>> I use MyEclipse for FireBible development as well.
>>
>> http://www.myeclipseide.com
>>
>> Brian.
>>
>> Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>> > Hey Guys,
>> >
>> > Sorry for this slightly off-topic email, but since
>> JBuilder folded I've
>> > been lost.
>> >
>> > I have tried and tried and TRIED to like Eclipse, but
>> after years of
>> > trying, I'm giving up. My conclusion is that
>> Eclipse barely functions
>> > when I finally get all the disparate pieces and tools
>> updated and
>> > configured how they're supposed to be. It's
>> sad. It's a great concept,
>> > but in practice, it does not compare to a commercial
>> tool integrated and
>> > packaged by a single organization-- which I fear is
>> the same for our
>> > software sometimes.
>> >
>> > But anyway, I'll end my rant and reflection at
>> that.
>> >
>> > Can anyone suggest a new tool for me to try? I'm
>> considering NetBeans,
>> > only because I know of no others.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > -Troy.
>> >
>> > PS. Usage, and what I miss from JBuilder: JSP
>> editing/debugging, remote
>> > edit via scp, database aware swing components, gui
>> wysiwyg swing
>> > editing, jar application packaging (dependency
>> slurping to single jar),
>> > vi editing!, and of course I'd like to have a nice
>> js editor, but
>> > haven't ever seen one in the wild.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > jsword-devel mailing list
>> > jsword-devel at crosswire.org
>> > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/jsword-devel
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 16:43:36 +0000
>> From: Manfred Bergmann <bergmannmd at web.de>
>> Subject: Re: [jsword-devel] Java IDE
>> To: J-Sword Developers Mailing List
>> <jsword-devel at crosswire.org>
>> Message-ID:
>> <26374152-042F-4158-B185-D2C201D99A4F at web.de>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed;
>> delsp=yes
>>
>> Troy.
>>
>> Same here.
>> I've worked years with Eclipse but then switched to
>> NetBeans when
>> version 5.0 was out.
>> Even though I've switched again to IDEA which is
>> unfortunately not
>> free I still do some things with NetBeans and actually I
>> don't know
>> why so many use Eclipse.
>> In my opinion NetBeans is so much better...
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Manfred
>>
>>
>> Am 04.03.2009 um 16:00 schrieb Troy A. Griffitts:
>>
>> > Hey Guys,
>> >
>> > Sorry for this slightly off-topic email, but since
>> JBuilder folded
>> > I've been lost.
>> >
>> > I have tried and tried and TRIED to like Eclipse, but
>> after years of
>> > trying, I'm giving up. My conclusion is that
>> Eclipse barely
>> > functions when I finally get all the disparate pieces
>> and tools
>> > updated and configured how they're supposed to be.
>> It's sad. It's
>> > a great concept, but in practice, it does not compare
>> to a
>> > commercial tool integrated and packaged by a single
>> organization--
>> > which I fear is the same for our software sometimes.
>> >
>> > But anyway, I'll end my rant and reflection at
>> that.
>> >
>> > Can anyone suggest a new tool for me to try? I'm
>> considering
>> > NetBeans, only because I know of no others.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > -Troy.
>> >
>> > PS. Usage, and what I miss from JBuilder: JSP
>> editing/debugging,
>> > remote edit via scp, database aware swing components,
>> gui wysiwyg
>> > swing editing, jar application packaging (dependency
>> slurping to
>> > single jar), vi editing!, and of course I'd like
>> to have a nice js
>> > editor, but haven't ever seen one in the wild.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > jsword-devel mailing list
>> > jsword-devel at crosswire.org
>> > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/jsword-devel
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 2009 10:29:11 -0700
>> From: David Botterill <david at davidbotterill.com>
>> Subject: Re: [jsword-devel] Java IDE
>> To: J-Sword Developers Mailing List
>> <jsword-devel at crosswire.org>
>> Message-ID:
>> <C4BDCF13-42D6-4B5B-AE8C-1C310DD8EDB7 at davidbotterill.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii";
>> Format="flowed";
>> DelSp="yes"
>>
>> Disclaimer: I work for Sun Microsystems, Inc., at least
>> today :). I
>> even used to be a NetBeans Evangelist until June of last
>> year. I've
>> been following this alias for some time and I've never
>> replied to it
>> so I know my credibility isn't established. Please
>> understand that my
>> comments are coming to you as my true experiences and not
>> some
>> marketing mumbo-jumbo. I first worked for the Sun tools
>> organization
>> in 2003. I can tell you I hated NetBeans. NetBeans was
>> about version
>> 3.5 at the time and it was extremely painful to use. We
>> even had a
>> guy on our team, that was developing a point product based
>> on
>> NetBeans, that used Eclipse because he couldn't take
>> it. I started
>> out on the project using JBuilder but soon decided I needed
>> to eat my
>> own dogfood so to speak. Since 2003, I've first-hand
>> experienced an
>> incredible transformation of NetBeans from a real miserable
>> experience
>> to the incredible out-of-box experience it is today. Sun
>> has invested
>> tons of engineering resources in NetBeans. As a NetBeans
>> Evangelist,
>> I constantly gave feedback to the engineering team about
>> what
>> developers wanted. Usually the features came from Eclipse
>> or
>> IntelliJ. We especially targeted IntelliJ's incredible
>> editing
>> experience as our goal. NetBeans has really come a long
>> way.
>>
>> I would say the biggest plus you have with NetBeans over
>> Eclipse is
>> the "out-of-box" experience. In other words, you
>> install the flavor
>> or NetBeans you want and you're up and running without
>> hunting down
>> plugins to get working. Yes MyEclipse uses this model for
>> Eclipse and
>> that's really a bonus for developers. BTW, I'm
>> glad to see a brother
>> in a lead position at Genuitec (Brian Fernandes) :).
>> NetBeans has an
>> incredible JavaScript editor/debugger as well as PHP, Ruby,
>> and Python
>> support.
>>
>> NetBeans isn't perfect but it's an incredible IDE
>> for free. Please
>> feel free to ask me any questions about NetBeans.
>>
>> Also, I've seen another thread talking about using a
>> Rich Client
>> Platform (RCP) as a basis for Bible Desktop. NetBeans was
>> the first
>> RCP and Eclipse came along and admittedly did a better job
>> in some
>> areas. Please keep in mind that you will be stuck with SWT
>> if you use
>> the Eclipse RCP. Sun has also been investing heavily in
>> the NetBeans
>> RCP and it has made huge progress as well.
>>
>> Yes and someday I hope to have time to contribute to the
>> JSword
>> project. Who knows, maybe I'll download the code and
>> get it up and
>> running under NetBeans soon. I know God's using JSword
>> to have an
>> eternal impact on the world. :)
>>
>> Cheers!
>> -David
>>
>>
>> On Mar 4, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Manfred Bergmann wrote:
>>
>> > Troy.
>> >
>> > Same here.
>> > I've worked years with Eclipse but then switched
>> to NetBeans when
>> > version 5.0 was out.
>> > Even though I've switched again to IDEA which is
>> unfortunately not
>> > free I still do some things with NetBeans and actually
>> I don't know
>> > why so many use Eclipse.
>> > In my opinion NetBeans is so much better...
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Manfred
>> >
>> >
>> > Am 04.03.2009 um 16:00 schrieb Troy A. Griffitts:
>> >
>> >> Hey Guys,
>> >>
>> >> Sorry for this slightly off-topic email, but since
>> JBuilder folded
>> >> I've been lost.
>> >>
>> >> I have tried and tried and TRIED to like Eclipse,
>> but after years
>> >> of trying, I'm giving up. My conclusion is
>> that Eclipse barely
>> >> functions when I finally get all the disparate
>> pieces and tools
>> >> updated and configured how they're supposed to
>> be. It's sad. It's
>> >> a great concept, but in practice, it does not
>> compare to a
>> >> commercial tool integrated and packaged by a
>> single organization--
>> >> which I fear is the same for our software
>> sometimes.
>> >>
>> >> But anyway, I'll end my rant and reflection at
>> that.
>> >>
>> >> Can anyone suggest a new tool for me to try?
>> I'm considering
>> >> NetBeans, only because I know of no others.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> -Troy.
>> >>
>> >> PS. Usage, and what I miss from JBuilder: JSP
>> editing/debugging,
>> >> remote edit via scp, database aware swing
>> components, gui wysiwyg
>> >> swing editing, jar application packaging
>> (dependency slurping to
>> >> single jar), vi editing!, and of course I'd
>> like to have a nice js
>> >> editor, but haven't ever seen one in the wild.
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> jsword-devel mailing list
>> >> jsword-devel at crosswire.org
>> >>
>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/jsword-devel
>> >
>> >
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