[jsword-devel] Java IDE

[David Botterill]

Disclaimer: I work for Sun Microsystems, Inc., at least today :).  I  
even used to be a NetBeans Evangelist until June of last year.  I've  
been following this alias for some time and I've never replied to it  
so I know my credibility isn't established.  Please understand that my  
comments are coming to you as my true experiences and not some  
marketing mumbo-jumbo.  I first worked for the Sun tools organization  
in 2003.  I can tell you I hated NetBeans.  NetBeans was about version  
3.5 at the time and it was extremely painful to use.  We even had a  
guy on our team, that was developing a point product based on  
NetBeans, that used Eclipse because he couldn't take it.  I started  
out on the project using JBuilder but soon decided I needed to eat my  
own dogfood so to speak.  Since 2003, I've first-hand experienced an  
incredible transformation of NetBeans from a real miserable experience  
to the incredible out-of-box experience it is today.  Sun has invested  
tons of engineering resources in NetBeans.  As a NetBeans Evangelist,  
I constantly gave feedback to the engineering team about what  
developers wanted.  Usually the features came from Eclipse or  
IntelliJ.  We especially targeted IntelliJ's incredible editing  
experience as our goal.  NetBeans has really come a long way.

I would say the biggest plus you have with NetBeans over Eclipse is  
the "out-of-box" experience.  In other words, you install the flavor  
or NetBeans you want and you're up and running without hunting down  
plugins to get working.  Yes MyEclipse uses this model for Eclipse and  
that's really a bonus for developers.  BTW, I'm glad to see a brother  
in a lead position at Genuitec (Brian Fernandes) :).  NetBeans has an  
incredible JavaScript editor/debugger as well as PHP, Ruby, and Python  
support.

NetBeans isn't perfect but it's an incredible IDE for free.  Please  
feel free to ask me any questions about NetBeans.

Also, I've seen another thread talking about using a Rich Client  
Platform (RCP) as a basis for Bible Desktop.  NetBeans was the first  
RCP and Eclipse came along and admittedly did a better job in some  
areas.  Please keep in mind that you will be stuck with SWT if you use  
the Eclipse RCP.  Sun has also been investing heavily in the NetBeans  
RCP and it has made huge progress as well.

Yes and someday I hope to have time to contribute to the JSword  
project.  Who knows, maybe I'll download the code and get it up and  
running under NetBeans soon. I know God's using JSword to have an  
eternal impact on the world. :)

Cheers!
-David


On Mar 4, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Manfred Bergmann wrote:

> Troy.
>
> Same here.
> I've worked years with Eclipse but then switched to NetBeans when  
> version 5.0 was out.
> Even though I've switched again to IDEA which is unfortunately not  
> free I still do some things with NetBeans and actually I don't know  
> why so many use Eclipse.
> In my opinion NetBeans is so much better...
>
>
> Regards,
> Manfred
>
>
> Am 04.03.2009 um 16:00 schrieb Troy A. Griffitts:
>
>> Hey Guys,
>>
>> Sorry for this slightly off-topic email, but since JBuilder folded  
>> I've been lost.
>>
>> I have tried and tried and TRIED to like Eclipse, but after years  
>> of trying, I'm giving up.  My conclusion is that Eclipse barely  
>> functions when I finally get all the disparate pieces and tools  
>> updated and configured how they're supposed to be.  It's sad.  It's  
>> a great concept, but in practice, it does not compare to a  
>> commercial tool integrated and packaged by a single organization--  
>> which I fear is the same for our software sometimes.
>>
>> But anyway, I'll end my rant and reflection at that.
>>
>> Can anyone suggest a new tool for me to try?  I'm considering  
>> NetBeans, only because I know of no others.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> 	-Troy.
>>
>> PS.  Usage, and what I miss from JBuilder: JSP editing/debugging,  
>> remote edit via scp, database aware swing components, gui wysiwyg  
>> swing editing, jar application packaging (dependency slurping to  
>> single jar), vi editing!, and of course I'd like to have a nice js  
>> editor, but haven't ever seen one in the wild.
>>
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