[jsword-devel] Lucene Indexes

[Daniel Owens]

Steve is right--technically the stem in Greek is a non-existent form, 
and the form we get in dictionaries (except for a certain type of 
verb...) is a real form. I think the referent of the original question 
was really the lexical form ;-) , which is why I gave the (layman's) 
definition I gave.

The more important point which Steve makes, with which I am in complete 
agreement, is that the MorphGNT represents fantastic potential for a 
person to use the Sword Library to do sophisticated lexical and 
grammatical analysis of the Greek New Testament. I would love to see a 
similar option for the WLC.

Daniel

Mullins, Steven wrote:
> Here is a simple explanation of what a stem is from SIL: http://www.sil.org/linguistics/GlossaryOfLinguisticTerms/WhatIsAStem.htm
> And a lexical form:
> http://www.sil.org/linguistics/GlossaryOfLinguisticTerms/WhatIsALexicalForm.htm
>
> A small correction to the reply below is that the MorphGNT does not have the 
> "stem" in the tag, but does have the lexical form.  They do differ.  The
> in Koine Greek, the Lexical form for a verb is not the infinitive, it is
> the first person active indicative.  Nouns are usually in the nominative.
> So in MorphGNT we do not really have a stem, but a true word form.
>
> The beauty of the MorphGNT module is that the analysis is already done!
> for every inflected word, you have tagged the lexical form (to search by)
> and the morpological tag (to narrow a search).  So for example if I wanted
> to to search for all verses with "believe" in the first person active
> indicative with "Jesus" as a direct object, I could, if only I had the 
> lexical form and morph tags in lucene working.
>
> Just my 2-cents.
>
> Steve
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Daniel Owens [mailto:dhowens at pmbx.net]
> Sent: Mon, May 19, 2008 12:26 AM
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> Subject: Re: [jsword-devel] Lucene Indexes
>
>
> Word stems are the dictionary form of the word (also called lexeme), if I understand what DM is getting at. For example, in English, the word "run" is the like the word stem, but when you put it in past tense you get "ran." Greek and Hebrew actually change the beginning and ending of the word to represent this, so searching for a word can be hard unless you can search by word stem. Since the MorphGNT module has word stems tagged, you could do quite interesting searches using that feature. For example, you could search for every place the word "run" appears in any form (in Greek), whether it is past, present, future, or whatever. That way you can do a word study on the word "run".
>
> Daniel
>
> Tonny Kohar wrote: 
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 9:27 AM, DM Smith <dmsmith555 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>   
> I've been working on fixing a bug with the indexing and searching
> Strong's numbers.
> While I was at it I enable the work that Sijo did to add the ability
> to search by word stems.
>
> To take advantage of these changes, get the latest build sometime
> tomorrow and drop and re-add the index for a Bible.
>     
>
> Interesting enhancement and bug fixing. If you do not mind could you
> elaborate in a bite more detail regarding word stems? what is word
> stems ?
>
> Thanks
> Tonny Kohar
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>
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