[jsword-devel] jsword-devel Digest, Vol 43, Issue 3

DM Smith dmsmith555 at yahoo.com
Sat Dec 29 09:25:04 MST 2007 

On Dec 29, 2007, at 9:22 AM, peter wrote:

> 2 points
>
> 1) should we really take sides in the one China/two China debate by
> asserting Taiwan being a province of China? I personally have no  
> view on
> the matter, but would hate to offend either side by taking side.

I would be glad to change it. I merely took the official iso 3166 file  
and converted it into a properties file. The name in there is what was  
in the file.

>
>
> I would suggest simplified/traditional Chinese is well understood by  
> all
> concerned, more accurate (considering Chinese in Singapore, Malaysia,
> Indonesia, Vietnam etc) and neutral at the same time.

I'm not sure that asserting that simplified is the default is a good  
idea. Simplified was created by Mao as a way of wiping out the  
traditions of China (out with the old and in with the new). My  
daughter-in-law, who is from Taiwan, expressed the view that she only  
wants to read traditional. I'm not sure, but I think that to assert  
simplified is to assert communism in the minds of many Chinese.  
Besides Taiwan, my son tells me that Hong Kong prefers traditional to  
simplified as well.

On a related note, my son told me that mainland China has a rule that  
software delivered into there country may contain any language and any  
script except traditional Chinese.

Making either the default will probably cause offense to the other.


>
>
> 2) For one reason or another despite choosing Chinese (either) in the
> nightly build (29/12) the programme runs in English only. Not sure
> what/whether I am doing anything wrong. Running it from shell does not
> seem to reveal any further info.

I'll look into this. My guess is that you may need to delete  
desktop.properties. (I should add a way to "reset" properties to the  
default.)

>
>
> God bless you
>
> Peter
>
> DM Smith wrote:
>> I have changed BibleDesktop to allow one to pick either traditional
>> (aka Taiwan) or simplified (aka China) in Options/Preferences.
>>
>> Another question: Currently we are displaying digits as 1, 2, 3, ...
>> 9. Should these change and if so, to what?
>>
>> In Him,
>> 	DM
>>
>> On Dec 27, 2007, at 4:08 PM, Yiguang Hu wrote:
>>
>>> DM,
>>> Your understanding of Chinese is correct.
>>> There are two major Chinese writing systems:
>>> Simplified (GB 2312) or Traditional (big5). It does
>>> not matter what dialet the user use, as long as he can
>>> read Simplified chinese, he should be able speak
>>> Mandarin. Or if he read traditional chinese, he most
>>> likely is from Taiwan.
>>> Both mandarin and cantonese from China should be able
>>> to read perferct simplified chinese, and knows most of
>>> the traditional Chinese.
>>> On the other hand, folks from Taiwan most read the
>>> traditional Chinese and should know most of simplified
>>> chinese and may have trouble to understand some of the
>>> simplified chinese.
>>>
>>> For user to select which version of Chinese, try to
>>> use GB_2312 encoding for simplified chinese (zh_CN
>>> locale), and big5 encoding for traditional chinese
>>> (zh_TW locale).
>>>
>>> Yiguang
>>>
>>>
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>>>>  1. Chinese, traditional vs simplified (DM Smith)
>>>>  2. Re: Submitting Patches  For Chinese Taiwan
>>>> zh_TW
>>>>     (Chang chia hsiang)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 16:25:07 -0500
>>>> From: DM Smith <dmsmith555 at yahoo.com>
>>>> Subject: [jsword-devel] Chinese, traditional vs
>>>> simplified
>>>> To: J-Sword Developers Mailing List
>>>> <jsword-devel at crosswire.org>
>>>> Message-ID:
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>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII;
>>>> format=flowed; delsp=yes
>>>>
>>>> I have just checked in simplified Chinese
>>>> translation for Bible
>>>> Desktop (BD) and JSword. Chang provided
>>>> zh_TW.properties files, which
>>>> I saved as is and also as zh.properties (i.e. the
>>>> default for Chinese)
>>>> I have also added Chinese as a translation choice in
>>>> Options/
>>>> Preferences. In doing this, I have made the list of
>>>> supported
>>>> translations a simple text file, called
>>>> translations.txt.
>>>>
>>>> I'm don't know Chinese (even though my son, Brad, is
>>>> learning Mandarin
>>>> and his wife, Sandy,  is Chinese from Taiwan), but I
>>>> am vaguely aware
>>>> that there are two forms of Chinese script:
>>>> Traditional and
>>>> simplified. And that there are some variations of
>>>> the traditional
>>>> script (e.g. Hong Kong) And also that Cantonese is
>>>> different from
>>>> Mandarin. And that there are other dialects too.
>>>>
>>>> I may have misunderstood, but I am under the
>>>> impression that the
>>>> script is fairly unifying across the different
>>>> Chinese languages/
>>>> dialects. That is if one person, speaking Cantonese,
>>>> cannot understand
>>>> another speaking Mandarin, that one writing
>>>> Cantonese can understand
>>>> another writing Mandarin as they would write it the
>>>> same way but would
>>>> read it differently.
>>>>
>>>> I would like some help to correct my understanding
>>>> where it falls
>>>> short or is just plain wrong. I think we need to
>>>> figure out how one
>>>> would provide both a traditional and a simplified
>>>> translation of BD
>>>> and how one would provide a way to choose between
>>>> them.
>>>>
>>>> Currently in BibleDesktop we obtain a translation
>>>> one of two ways.
>>>> Either we take the default, which is based upon the
>>>> user's locale,
>>>> consisting of language and of country. The second
>>>> way is to go into
>>>> Options (called Preferences on the Mac) and choose a
>>>> language. At the
>>>> moment we don't support choosing a country.
>>>>
>>>> In His Service,
>>>> 	DM Smith
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:56:10 +0800
>>>> From: Chang chia hsiang <prayer at praiseofgod.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [jsword-devel] Submitting Patches  For
>>>> Chinese Taiwan
>>>> 	zh_TW
>>>> To: J-Sword Developers Mailing List
>>>> <jsword-devel at crosswire.org>
>>>> Message-ID:
>>>> <BAY115-W3FCC1BC456ECDD0B7D84FDA540 at phx.gbl>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's great !!
>>>>
>>>> Thank you so much.
>>>>
>>>> jesus love you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://praiseofgod.org
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------
>>>>> From: dmsmith555 at yahoo.com
>>>>> To: jsword-devel at crosswire.org
>>>>> Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 08:45:28 -0500
>>>>> Subject: Re: [jsword-devel] Submitting Patches
>>>> For Chinese Taiwan zh_TW
>>>>> Dear Chang chia hsaing,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you very much. As you noticed posts greater
>>>> than 100K are held
>>>>> for approval. No problem as I will get the mail
>>>> directly from the
>>>>> server but won't "approve" it so that the list
>>>> stays small. Your
>>>>> posting images to an image server is the best way
>>>> to go. I'll let you
>>>>> know if I have any problem with your patches.
>>>>>
>>>>> Serving Him Together,
>>>>> 	DM Smith
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 26, 2007, at 12:40 AM, Chang chia hsiang
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Dear jsword_devel:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bibledesktop path for zh_TW (Chinese Taiwan),
>>>>>>
>>>>>> zip include screenshot.png and patch.txt,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> test it and then check it in,please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My platform : Debian linux + eclipse +java 15/14
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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