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[Jaak Ristioja]

Dear Peter,

Thank you for taking the time to write about this. And please don't feel
sorry about being blunt or afraid of trying to offend me. I believe I
can take the criticism, test it and accept what is due.

I do believe your (and Troy's) statements about how you see and feel and
perceive all of this. I admit that "my tone" during writing has not
always been neutral, loving and friendly, but has also perhaps contained
some elements of irony, sarcasm and ridicule of some ideas. I've been
actively trying to correct myself about such things, but am not yet
fully free from it. I apologize for any harm this has done. While I have
nothing to say to defend these transgressions, please forgive me for my
ignorance in thinking such words to be for the good.

On the other hand, please also be ware that the "tone" you perceive when
reading e-mails is very often not the "tone" the author had when writing
these words, but is instead generated by our subconsciousness which
tries to fill in the lack of voice, tone and body language. I've seen
myself fall into this trap as well.

In all humility (not that I think to have much) having tested your
conjectures about my motivations and expectations, I must say that I
believe these are wholly incorrect.

About acrimony, I am certain that you are incorrect that all such
threads created by me have been acrimonous. Because I actually just
quickly read through all 46 threads (not counting subthreads) I have
started on sword-devel (according to my e-mail archive), and could only
detect myself conciously expressing bitterness in only one of them:
"crosswire.org HTTPS certificate expired!" dated 2011.05.11 when I was a
bit angry because it didn't work. Among the rest of the 45 emails I
found two where in hindsight the wording might have been ambiguous in
this matter, but which I remember to have written without bitterness.

So if all those thread-starting posts have been acrimonous, and I see
myself acrimonious in only a few, it is obvious that I must be in a
grave state of sin and blindness in that matter.

Can you please elaborate on this, Peter, and help me see again?

I know I have been bitter some replies. While I know that nothing can
excuse this, it has been a suffering for me to understand why Crosswire
doesn't much refactor and fix bugs in Sword. I apologize if this has
resulted in me entertaining a pride, but I simply don't understand.

The explanations given oftentimes seem utterly stupid from my
perspective. Thanks to Troys last e-mails in this thread and elsewhere,
I've to a small extend been able to understand him and Crosswire a bit
more. I just don't understand you guys. The SWORD code is full with
low-hanging fruits, i.e. rotten bugs waiting to be fixed and
inefficiencies to be optimized. Why is practically NOTHING being done by
SWORD developers to improve such matters? Why is help to improve things
rejected? Why are bug reports ignored? Why are concerns of frontend
developers always discarded?

It seems INSANE and I've not received any explanations which would
reasonably explain whole situations, which is why I've almost always
replied requests for clarification and/or my counterarguments. So far
they have been unsuccessful in enlightening me, and I've not managed to
persuade my discussion partners as well, possibly only gotten them
deeper entrenched in their positions.

Although I admit to having made mistakes by my choice of words, I
suspect that perhaps my persistence in continuing such discussions and
persistance in pushing for change is even more to blame, because it
might have tired you to the point that you perceive me negatively?

J


On 07.01.20 20:10, Peter Von Kaehne wrote:
> Dear Jaak,
> Greg and Troy have answered the substantials. May I only add - I would like you 
> to ask to have a serious look at the tone of your emails to this and related lists.
> There are only two appropriate ways of using the library mand associated modules 
> and  you try to find a third one which does not exist.
> 
> You can use it as a gift or you can use it + contribute as a part of the team.
> 
> Latter does not seem to work as you and Troy do not really see eye to eye on the 
> terms and direction of development, the bulk of your patches are rejected as 
> they do not conform to the coding standard (chosen by the lead and not really up 
> to your question) and direction (again, chosen by the lead and really up to your 
> question).
> 
> Former would require a certain level of acceptance that this is what you are 
> offered and whether it has a bow and a ribbon or not is not within your rights 
> to demand, it is a gift after all.
> The usual approach a normal person has towards gifts they do not like is to 
> smile politely, thank the person who has given it and then take it to a charity 
> shop or recycle it otherwise. Or add some lacquer and furnish and use it anyway. 
> So you coudl of course find your replacement for libsword - but as Troy has 
> pointed out, you do end up in a dodgy landscape in terms of module rights if you 
> want to use our module base. Or you could add the lacquer and furnish to your 
> liking - after the giver has gone out of the door.
> Your tone all the way through the last few years suggests that you believe you 
> are owed by Troy and by LibSword team a bow and a ribbon, tied to your exact 
> specification. It won't happen, so the moaning is useless. But more importantly 
> it is also a poor witness, it is aggravating, it is plain unpleasant. It makes 
> even sensible posts by you something only approached with trepidation
> My suggestion is - use whatever glue code you would like to "sanitize" any 
> libsword output and be done with it. This is what you get and you won't get 
> anything different by moaning loud and repeatedly. Accept libsowrd and its 
> (Troy's)  ways or move on. Bibletime did that for a few years and it seemed to 
> work - there was some constructive flow back and forth even when Bibletime team 
> stayed somewhat outside the closer circle.
> I am sorry to be so blunt. There have been several unfortunate threads on 
> sword-devel and else which have become acrimonous - but I find pretty much any 
> and all threads started by you on matters of Sword are acrimonous before anyone 
> else had even a chance to answer to you. Please do change this. This is not a 
> coding request but an etiquette request.
> 
> Yours
> 
> Peter