[xiphos-users] Xiphos 4.5.0

[Chuck Hast]

I do not mind purchasing a copy but it always looks like it is wrapped in
some Windows piece of junk and
I just do NOT do windows. I would just like to get the file and be able to
import it into Xiphos.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2026 at 6:20 PM Fred <fred.fredex at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've had ESV installed for some years, now. While I haven't checked, I've
> read that the distributors of ESV have withdrawn the Sword Project's
> permission to distribute it, so the only way to get it now is to go
> purchase a copy (or get it from a friend).
>
> Fred
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2026 at 3:44 PM Chuck Hast <wchast at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I saw the note about the ESV, I look at the sources but do  not see it,
>> is it available now?
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 28, 2026 at 2:17 PM Karl Kleinpaste <karl at kleinpaste.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/28/26 2:33 PM, Fred wrote:
>>>
>>> One problem (and it may well not be new) is that (viewing ESV) in Mark
>>> 9, one gets to verse 43 and can't use the verse spinner to go beyond.
>>> Prolly all confused because in most texts (of Mark) there is no verse 44
>>> but there is a verse 45 (as well as 47 but no 46).
>>>
>>>
>>> That behavior is as old as the Sword Project itself.
>>>
>>> Xiphos, and other Sword apps, do verse arithmetic to move to the
>>> next/prev verse. This is to say, they add/subtract 1 to the current verse
>>> key. When there is nothing there at the new key, Sword (and Xiphos)
>>> correctly conclude that nothing should happen. This is actually normal for
>>> some Bibles that include only 1 testament, or just (e.g.) Psalms and NT:
>>> You can't navigate Genesis at all in an NT Bible, so it doesn't try.
>>>
>>> In the NT, this is because there are 16 verses that the modern science
>>> of textual criticism has reliably determined were never part of the
>>> original writings, including those 2 verses in Mark:
>>>
>>> Matthew 17:21; 18:11; 23:14; Mark 7:16; 9:44,46; 11:26; 15:28; Luke
>>> 17:36; 23:17; John 5:4; Acts 8:37; 15:34; 24:7; 28:29; Romans 16:24
>>>
>>> Modern translations leave these out but often include notes indicating
>>> their absence, and why. A few translations leave quite extensive footnotes
>>> about it. For example, NET Matt 17:20 says this in its "tc' (textual
>>> criticism) footnote #39:
>>>
>>> 39- *tc* Many important MSS (א* B Θ 0281 33 579 892* pc e ff1 sys,c sa)
>>> do not include 17:21 “But this kind does not go out except by prayer and
>>> fasting.” The verse is included in א2 C D L W Ë1,13 Ï lat, but is almost
>>> certainly not original. As B. M. Metzger notes, “Since there is no
>>> satisfactory reason why the passage, if originally present in Matthew,
>>> should have been omitted in a wide variety of witnesses, and since copyists
>>> frequently inserted material derived from another Gospel, it appears that
>>> most manuscripts have been assimilated to the parallel in Mk 9:29” (TCGNT
>>> 35).
>>>
>>> "B.M.Metzger" was Bruce Metzger, arguably the foremost Greek translator
>>> of the last century, and his TCGNT (Textual Commentary on the Greek NT) is
>>> a baseline standard reference.
>>>
>>> ESV provides a very brief note about this at Mark 9:43, if you have
>>> notes enabled (as is default):
>>>
>>> Some manuscripts add verses 44 and 46 (which are identical with verse 48)
>>>
>>> Of course, the KJV-only crowd likes to whine loudly about "denying the
>>> very word of God" over these removals, but I regard that as nonsense
>>> because Erasmus' Textus Receptus, as basis for KJV NT, was constructed from
>>> only about 7 manuscripts, none of them older than 12th century, with some
>>> parts of those being highly questionable, yet modern translations derive
>>> from such complete or near-complete manuscript collections as Codex
>>> Sinaiticus, reliably dated to 4th century. The very name "textus receptus"
>>> (the "received text" -- received from whom? one random intellectual who was
>>> creating what we would now call a unified "critical text apparatus," just
>>> like NA28 is today?) is an arrogant misnomer of huge proportions. As a
>>> result, I don't have a lot of respect for the KJV-only crowd.
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