[sword-devel] Ubuntu Touch Bible app
Gary Holmlund
gary.holmlund at gmail.com
Thu Jul 4 12:35:19 MST 2013
I am definitely leveraging BibleTime backend code to install works and
the config system for dealing with user preferences. The filters also
provide parallel viewing of passages in a single window. The fact that
the BibleTime backend converts to QString, etc. is a big savings for a
Qt app.
Gary
On 07/04/2013 11:45 AM, Greg Hellings wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 1:28 PM, Troy A. Griffitts
> <scribe at crosswire.org <mailto:scribe at crosswire.org>> wrote:
>
> Not to insult anyone-- please don't feel insulted...
>
> But what exactly does basing code off of Bibletime instead of
> SWORD give you? Are any of these things worth having in the
> engine itself?
>
>
> Primarily:
> 1) Translation between char*/SWBuf and QString, plus adding QObject
> and additional helpers that Qt offers. This is quite possibly worth
> having in the engine, but every time I've asked the BibleTime guys if
> they want a minimal Qt-Sword binding in the engine they have decided
> that it is unnecessary for BT's specific purposes. I'd still be happy
> to help get this much functionality into the engine if we're going to
> have now 3 frontends leveraging Qt.
>
> 2) An improved CLucene search has long been something that BibleTime
> touts - the index covers more fields and metadata than Sword's CLucene
> index. This is probably worth having, but has been summarily rejected
> by you in the past because there would be no way of detecting Old
> Index vs New Index as current indexes are unversioned (why that itself
> couldn't serve as the flag for old vs new following the addition of an
> index version field, I'm not sure). You've also given the impression
> that the CLucene indexes are not a high priority for you since you
> have the brute force search available.
>
> 3) An entirely rewritten set of OSIS filters, at the very least.
> Whether these are better or not, I have no opinion of, although I have
> found BibleTime's filters more understandable.
>
> 4) Potentially reusable widgets in some places, for common
> functionality like the Install Manager, where a redesign may or may
> not be necessary for some of it.
>
> Those are just some of the things I know of that could be leveraged,
> in addition to having the differences of opinion and strategy you talk
> about below.
>
> --Greg
>
>
> I have looked at the backend 'wrappers' in Bibletime around SWORD
> a few years back and I was disappointed for a number of reasons--
> and so as not to insult anyone-- primarily because they didn't add
> any value at all, but only 'shielded' developers from using the
> engine directly.
>
> I have no idea if this is still the case. I get the impression
> that Bibletime, itself, has been re-written a number of times and
> I'm guessing this includes the 'backend' wrappers as well.
>
> My hope is that if there are any features that are usable by
> multiple frontend, then we should add these into the engine, if it
> makes sense. Again, in an attempt to stop this thread from
> becoming a defense of the Bibletime code or a defense of a
> 'methodology for an API interface (e.g., stateful vs. stateless
> container classes) and from degrading into insulting each other, I
> have not commented on the quality of the Bibletime code. I am
> simply stating that I don't know what
>
> * solid, additional features *
>
> are gained from using the Bibletime base for starting a new
> frontend instead of the SWORD code directly, and if there are any,
> can we add these into the engine?
>
>
> Troy
>
>
>
>
> On 07/04/2013 08:17 PM, Israel wrote:
>
> Great!! I will post the git page (to the uBible Developers)
> if you want me too, or you can head over to
> https://github.com/uBible/uBible/issues/1
> and post the info yourself if you want.
> We have been discussing using Bible Time's backend because
> @Mark Trompell suggested it.
> You can e-mail me off list if you'd like, or post on the
> Github page...
>
>
> On Thu, 04 Jul 2013 09:22:17 -0700
> Gary Holmlund <gary.holmlund at gmail.com
> <mailto:gary.holmlund at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I am currently working on a second frontend for BibleTime
> that uses QML.
> It is a work in progress and I have some basic features up
> and working.
> Bibles, Commentaries, and Books can be read in multiple
> windows. The
> windows can be tabbed or split views of the screen. The
> install process
> for bibles, etc. is working.
>
> It requires Qt 5.1 and compiles on linux (ubuntu, fedora,
> etc.). I am
> looking into cross compiling onto android right now. Qt is
> not making
> this easy because they don't support cmake builds for android.
>
> I have it in a private git repository right now, but
> expect to put it
> into the main BibleTime git repository soon. Help with
> this would be
> welcome.
>
> Gary Holmlund
> gary.holmlund at gmail.com <mailto:gary.holmlund at gmail.com>
>
>
> On 07/04/2013 06:25 AM, Israel wrote:
>
> It uses QML, so it is part of Qt. I will bring this
> up to the others
> and see what they think about it all.
> It may be a good idea. Anyhow we are designing an
> interface at the
> moment to get the features we want, using what
> capabilities QML has,
> and designing it to be fully integrated with the
> Ubuntu Touch
> ecosystem. There are some things about using Bible
> Time that may make
> this
> hard, but there very well may be some things we might
> be able to utilize.
> Thanks!
>
> On 07/04/2013 12:15 AM, Mark Trompell wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 4, 2013 at 2:04 AM, Israel
> <israeldahl at gmail.com
> <mailto:israeldahl at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
> There are a few of us who have banded together
> to start work on a
> Ubuntu
> Touch SWORD app. Is anyone else working on one?
>
> AFAIK Ubuntu touch uses qt, so maybe just another
> UI Frontent to
> bibletime would do fine,
> with the advantage of being easily portable to
> mer/nemo/sailfish(jolla).
>
> If anyone is interested please join us on github.
> https://github.com/uBible
> We are currently in the process of working out
> the beginning
> details, such
> as UI setup, features, etc....
> May the Lord Jesus bless you all!
>
> --
> Regards
>
>
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