[server-admins] Firebird Server pegging

Troy A. Griffitts scribe at crosswire.org
Thu Nov 21 07:39:40 MST 2013 

We don't have to do any of this is we are already going to have a 
liferay installation setup.  I don't think I've done any specific forum 
administration except initially creating the topics 2 years ago on our 
current site.

On 11/21/2013 03:36 PM, DM Smith wrote:
> Looking forward to your explanation.
>
> I've played with myBB briefly. From an admins perspective here is what I found:
> Depends upon LAMP (where P is php) which is what wikipedia uses and is common to most linux installations. So dependencies are satisfied w/o additional packages, installation or setup.
> Small download.
> Install is merely unzipping and changing permissions.
> Setup consists of three parts:
> Create a mysql database and user with appropriate grants for that database.
> Simple http entry.
> Run install via webpage.
>
> Total time 10 minutes.
>
> It satisfies a particular admin goal that I have: admin simplicity not requiring any special skills.
>
> -- DM
>
> On Nov 21, 2013, at 8:57 AM, Troy A. Griffitts <scribe at crosswire.org> wrote:
>
>> Presentation in a few hours, no time to respond in detail.
>>
>> I'd lke the opportunity to convince you of the benefit of the big picture of having a collaborative online community building new datasets and managing their own projects with a set of expanding specialized tools for these projects.
>>
>> In the meantime, check out the liferay forum link I sent:
>> http://www.liferay.com/community/forums
>>
>> It supports all of what you list and I would suggest is better supported than myBB forum.  Liferay is an enterprise portal solution with an opensource edition.  It is used by Barclays, Sesame Street, Toyota, Cisco, T-Mobile and other large companies. It is the primary portal installation offered by Redhat OpenShift:
>> https://www.openshift.com/developers/java
>> Ubuntu JuJu:
>> https://jujucharms.com/
>>
>> and others.
>>
>> I believe it is a good choice for all the reasons you list and more.  Gotta run for now.
>>
>> Troy
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/21/2013 02:40 PM, Chris Little wrote:
>>> This seems like a really bad idea. The reason for choosing mvnForum was that it was built on JSP & Firebird. That wasn't a particularly good reasons to choose it as a forum solution, and now we have poorly supported forum software.
>>>
>>> Troy, it sounds like you're proposing we choose another solution on the basis of its underlying technology rather than its actual functional merits. I really can't see any value to searching for forum software that can function as a portlet. And if we switch to another poorly supported, unpopular forum solution, we're going to be in exactly the same situation within a few years as we're in now.
>>>
>>> Our requirements are fairly limited:
>>> free, open, mature, & maintained software
>>> support for threads & quoting
>>> support for spam blocking, better CAPTCHAs, & good user management
>>>
>>> MyBB seems to fit that bill well enough. And picking a popular solution like myBB is probably more important than all of these since we can benefit from plugins, regular updates, etc.
>>>
>>>
>>> FWIW I don't think we should worry about migrating the existing forum content over. We can leave registrations disabled (which tentatively appears to have eliminated the server pegging issue--jira is the current top CPU consumer, with fbserver not visible when I run top). When we have new forums up, we can disable logins to mvnForum. And in a year or so, I wouldn't object to our nuking mvnForum from the server altogether.
>>>
>>> Also FWIW, I don't particularly see a need to consult with sword-devel. We already had a bit of discussion of forum software, and now I consider it to be an issue for server admins--the people who will actually install & support the forum software.
>>>
>>> --Chris
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/20/2013 7:51 PM, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:
>>>> I'd prefer not to take the conversation to sword-devel. Now that I am
>>>> done with my project for the INTF, my hope is to utilize the frameworks
>>>> I've built for projects at CrossWire. This includes running a liferay
>>>> installation which is a fully compliant JSR-168 and 286 portlet
>>>> container as well as an OpenSocial container. I'm sure we could find a
>>>> forum portlet or use the one that ships with liferay. You can see it
>>>> their forums in action on their own site if you'd like to evaluate:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.liferay.com/community/forums
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DM Smith <dmsmith at crosswire.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     On Nov 20, 2013, at 8:02 PM, Chris Little <chrislit at crosswire.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         On 11/20/2013 11:07 AM, DM Smith wrote:
>>>>
>>>>             Do you want me to stop the fb server?
>>>>
>>>>             What are the web apps that use it? (besides news and forums)
>>>>
>>>>             News can't possibly be creating the problem. For all
>>>>             practical purposes,
>>>>             it is read-only.
>>>>
>>>>             Can we make the forums read-only and put up a banner that it
>>>>             is locked down?
>>>>
>>>>             -- DM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         I disabled new registrations on the servers, which I predict
>>>>         will prevent the pegging problem.
>>>>
>>>>         I couldn't find a sensible way to switch off registrations
>>>>         through the admin panel, so I went after the addmember.jsp file
>>>>         itself and moved it to
>>>> /home/forums/servers/main/webapps/forums/mvnplugin/mvnforum/user/addmember.bak
>>>>
>>>>         --Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     I've been looking for a replacement. Should we take the discussion to sword-devel?
>>>>
>>>>     I think the key features that people have mentioned are:
>>>>       Something that is actively maintained.
>>>>       Something that does threading and quoting.
>>>>       Something w/ decent spam and user management support.
>>>>       Must work on RHEL 6. Good if it is part of the distribution.
>>>>       Open source
>>>>
>>>>     The most popular db for forums is mysql. Very few work w/ firebird.
>>>>
>>>>     I'm willing to be an active admin for the software and database, but not the forum.
>>>>
>>>>     If we can come up w/ something to try, I can install it this weekend. Maybe sooner.
>>>>
>>>>     How about we try "myBB"?
>>>>
>>>>     Seehttp://myBB.com/features
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     If we want to import current rather than start over empty:
>>>>
>>>>     vBulletin can import from mvnForum. It's the only one I could find that handles mvnForum.
>>>>
>>>>     myBB can import from vBulletin.
>>>>
>>>>     -- DM
>>>>
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