[server-admins] Forum

DM Smith dmsmith at crosswire.org
Mon Jan 14 09:25:51 MST 2013 

I guess that it is better to use what is already at CrossWire, supported (by you) and is part of a larger future goal.

I couldn't find anything at their website detailing what it does. Is their documentation? Can you put up the forum for us, so we can see what it does and doesn't do? Or is http://www.liferay.com/community/forums a good example?(I assume they eat their own dog food).

Curiosity: If the components have been built as open social gadgets does that mean that the forum could be plugged into Jira? Or visa versa?

Is there a way that we can move to(ward) single signon for forum, wiki, jira, crosswire community?

In Him,
	DM

On Jan 14, 2013, at 5:33 AM, "Troy A. Griffitts" <scribe at crosswire.org> wrote:

> As you all know, I've been working on collaboration tools for the INTF with a mind to use them for future CrossWire collaborative efforts (tagging projects and other things).  The components have all been built as OpenSocial gadgets and require an OpenSocial container to run them inside.  These are typically full web portal applications.  We use Liferay here at the INTF and it is very mature, though more heavyweight than I would like.  I've been using it for the past 2 years now and am familiar with the platform.  It runs dog-slow in development mode, but in production mode it is decent.  I was probably going to use Liferay to restart the CrossWire Community tools (at http://community.crosswire.org).  They have a decent forum component portlet.
> 
> We could consider setting up Liferay and only installing the forum portlet.  To the end user, it would look simply like a forum site, but our project leads could begin to experiment with other functionality for their projects.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Troy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 01/13/2013 10:09 PM, DM Smith wrote:
>> If we keep mvnForum running for reference (no ability to sign up) then our options are wide open. I've been looking at ways to migrate the forum data from it and it is just not there.
>> 
>> I'm curious what we had before mvnForum, why we left (I seem to remember that it was security flaws, but that might have been a migration of the wiki) and whether the data was migrated.
>> 
>> Regarding requirements for replacement forum software:
>> The ones you've listed.
>> 
>> Strong control over membership. Got to keep bogus/bad/evil/... members out. Having maintained the wiki for a while, I found that the only true way to handle it well is to moderate the wiki. We now moderate sign-ups and only let those in who tell us who they are. This becomes part of their public image on the wiki. Works well for site devoted to developers. Not sure it works as part of a support forum.
>> 
>> When they do sneak in and post something bad/inappropriate, we need to be able to deal with it. E.g. administratively deleting/editing posts.
>> 
>> I'd also add that it be good for the forum software to being fairly mature, security minded and actively developed, having responsive support. While I'd prefer something open-source, I don't mind something that isn't but has a strong commitment to the open source community, like Atlassian (Jira).
>> 
>> Some other thoughts: While I like J2EE, I find software a bit easier to manage if it is cgi-bin (like the wiki) rather than needing to run in tomcat.
>> 
>> If the software is part of RHEL's support/distribution that's a big plus. If the DB is mysql and the installation straightforward, I'd be willing to support the software (not its usage, as I don't find forums compelling).
>> 
>> -- DM
>> 
>> On Jan 13, 2013, at 12:43 PM, Manfred Bergmann <manfred.bergmann at me.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> The major disadvantages in mvnForum are:
>>> - no attachments in posts. If users want to add a screenshot to illustrate a problem they can't or have to have their own web space or use dropbox. That's annoying.
>>> - too weak captcha image. there were and are many bots registering.
>>> - no voting
>>> - it's not actually maintained any more.
>>> - many more
>>> 
>>> I would suggest to keep mvnForum running for reference and lookup but install a new forum software.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Manfred
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Am 11.01.2013 um 09:58 schrieb Manfred Bergmann <manfred.bergmann at me.com>:
>>> 
>>>> That's right.
>>>> Bad member will probably sign up in another software as well.
>>>> But I have little desire to spend more time with mvnForum.
>>>> If we want to keep a forum (which I would prefer), we need some other software.
>>>> I would even put some money in the hand to buy something, or pay some fee if it is hosted in the cloud.
>>>> For example Burning Board from Woltlab is an excellent forum.
>>>> 
>>>> How do we proceed?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Manfred
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Am 10.01.2013 um 14:09 schrieb DM Smith <dmsmith at crosswire.org>:
>>>> 
>>>>> Manfred, I think. Btw the software needs to change. Too much bad members signing up.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cent from my fone so theer mite be tipos. ;)
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 10, 2013, at 7:59 AM, "Troy A. Griffitts" <scribe at crosswire.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey guys.  Who owns the forums these days?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>> Subject:	Fwd: OSIS / Sword isses
>>>>>> Date:	Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:40:29 +0000
>>>>>> From:	David F. Haslam <df.haslam at btinternet.com>
>>>>>> Reply-To:	df.haslam at btinternet.com
>>>>>> To:	Troy A. Griffitts <scribe at crosswire.org>
>>>>>> CC:	DM Smith <dmsmith at crosswire.org>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Troy,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is there a permissions issue with the Forum ?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> David
>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>> Subject:	OSIS / Sword isses
>>>>>> Date:	Thu, 10 Jan 2013 09:47:58 -0000
>>>>>> From:	ARA Jamieson <jamie at critos.co.uk>
>>>>>> To:	'David F. Haslam' <df.haslam at btinternet.com>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi David,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've finally got back to attempting to generate OSIS and Sword for some of
>>>>>> the scripture translations we need to handle, and have run into some
>>>>>> problems.  It's difficult to say where they may arise, because there are so
>>>>>> many steps in the process - there's the way the translators have interpreted
>>>>>> USFM, the way I do so, the way I convert USFM to USX, the way I convert USX
>>>>>> to OSIS, the osis2mod.pl script, and Xiphos (which is the Sword reader I'm
>>>>>> using currently).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I was going to follow up your earlier suggestion and perhaps try some to
>>>>>> register to ask questions on some of the OSIS / Sword forums, but I'm having
>>>>>> trouble.  At a guess, it looked to me as though
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://crosswire.org/forums/mvnforum/index
>>>>>> might be a good starting point,
>>>>>> and I was trying to register for that one.  However, when I do, I get a
>>>>>> message ...
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>  The referer of request is not in trusted domains. Please configure
>>>>>> mvncore.xml.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> There is a link which in theory lets you email the site administrator, which
>>>>>> I did a few days ago, but have not received any reply, so I'm wondering
>>>>>> whether emails may be vanishing into the void, or whether it's simply that
>>>>>> the administrator only looks at emails occasionally.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Don't know if you have any idea a) whether the forum I'm looking at would be
>>>>>> a good place to start; and b) if so, how I can get to register and
>>>>>> participate?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jamie
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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