[osis-editors] More Comments

[Jim Schaad]

Patrick,

See if I can remember what is going on anymore. :) 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick Durusau [mailto:Patrick.Durusau@sbl-site.org] 
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 6:48 AM
> To: jimsch@nwlink.com
> Cc: osis-editors@bibletechnologieswg.org
> Subject: Re: [osis-editors] More Comments
> 
> Jim,
> 
> Back in the OSIS saddle again!
> 
> Jim Schaad wrote:
> > Gentlemen,
> > 
> > Two issues, one request for  a clarification and one just a please 
> > help me.
> > 
> > 1.  I think it would be worthwhile to add a section on "conical"
> > ordering of elements in an OSIS document.  I was looking at 
> a pargraph 
> > that was an entire verse and an entire quote.  According to my 
> > calculations the arrangement of these three elements alone (without 
> > the problems of adding notes, titles and other such things) is that 
> > there are 24 different encodings to start the paragraph 
> with.  This is 
> > just too much different ways for my poor style sheet to handle, 
> > although not a huge issue for the programmic methods of 
> doing display 
> > that can build and keep state while crossing the different items.
> > 
> Think we will be covering this in the Users Manual as a "best 
> practice."
> 
> Do you have a sampel or two that you would like to contribute?

I can probably put a couple together.

> 
> Omitting the quote processing for this reply.
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > 
> > 3. Possible addition for consideration:  To facilitate the 
> extraction 
> > of chapters from the text, it would be nice to be able to 
> add <q> and 
> > <speech> elements at the beginning of divisions (such as 
> chapter) in 
> > order to have history of these elements moved forward.  I would 
> > suggest tagging them with an attribute of cID that matches 
> the correct 
> > sID and eID.
> > 
> 
> Lost me on this one. Not sure what you mean by "history of 
> these elements move forward." May just be thick this morning 
> but I am not seeing the problem or the operation of the 
> solution. Sorry.
> 
> Can you say a few more words about either the problem you are 
> solving or how the solution would work? Either one may help 
> me understand what needs to be done.
> 
> One place where I am confused, for example, is adding <q> and 
> <speech> elements at the beginning of a division, like a 
> chapter. Do you mean that a <q> or <speech> begins just after 
> the chapter opens? In other words:
> 
> <div type="chapter"><q>/<speech>?
> 
> Or do you mean that the <q>/<speech> begin elsewhere?

Consider chapters 5, 6 & 7 from Matthew,  they are effectively a single
speech.  If one wants to extract just chapter 6, then one does not know from
the extracted sub-tree that one is in the middle of a speech.

<chapter osisID="Matt.5">
  <p>
    <verse osisID="Matt.5.1" sID="Matt.5.1"/>
Taking note of the crowds, he climbed up the mountain, and when he had sat
down, his disciples came
to him. 
    <verse eID="Matt.5.1"/>
    <verse osisID="Matt.5.2" sID="Matt.5.2"/>
He then began to speak, and this is what he would teach them:
<verse eID="Matt.5.2"/>
    <speech sID="Matt.5.3" type="block"/>
		lots of verse material
    <verse eID="Matt.5.48"/>
  </p>
</chapter>
<chapter osisID="Matt.6">
  <speech cID="Matt.5.2"/>
  <p>
   <verse osisID="Matt.6.1" sID="Matt.6.1"/>
Take care that you don't flaunt your religion in public to be noticed by
others. Otherwise, you
will have no recognition from your Father in the heavens. 
   <verse eID="Matt.6.1"/>
             lots of verses.
  </p>
</chapter>
<chapter osisID="Matt.7">
  <speech cID="Matt.5.2"/>
  <p>
             lots of verses
   <verse osisID="Matt.7.27" sID="Matt.7.27"/>
When the rain fell, and the torrents came, and the winds blew and pounded
that house, it collapsed. Its collapse was colossal.<q eID="Matt.5.11.q.1"/>
  <speech eID="Matt.5.2"/>
  </p>
  <verse eID="Matt.7.27"/>
  <verse osisID="Matt.7.28" sID="Matt.7.28"/>
  <p>
    And so, when Jesus had finished this discourse, the crowds were
astonished at his teaching, 
  <verse eID="Matt.7.28"/>


> Hope you are having a great day!
> 
> Patrick
> 
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> Patrick Durusau
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> Society of Biblical Literature
> Patrick.Durusau@sbl-site.org
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> Interface Co-Editor, ISO 13250, Topic Maps -- Reference Model
> 
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