[osis-editors] Change for 2.0.1 Requested

Tue, 20 Jan 2004 13:14:20 -0500

Jim,

Jim Schaad wrote:
> Patrick,
> 
> Yes,  you now have the sense of the issue.  My suggestion would be to
> keep <transChanges> as non-milestone able, but to allow for a <q>
> milestone (and relatives) to be placed inside of it.  I would be leery
> of the suggestion of breakin g up the <transChange> as you make it much
> harder to determine where to place the brackets (using my scheme to mark
> these items) and generally any notes on the <transChange> want to apply
> to the entire item.
> 
Thanks for the addition comment on notes applying to the entire 
transChange. Had not considered that.

Not sure we could enforce, from a schema standpoint, the use of <q> and 
related elements as milestones but we certainly could take note of your 
example and say in documetation that is how it should be handled, for 
the reasons you note.

Hope you are having a great day!

Patrick

> jim
> 
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Patrick Durusau [mailto:Patrick.Durusau@sbl-site.org] 
>>Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 6:07 AM
>>To: jimsch@nwlink.com
>>Cc: osis-editors@bibletechnologieswg.org
>>Subject: Re: [osis-editors] Change for 2.0.1 Requested
>>
>>
>>Jim,
>>
>>Jim Schaad wrote:
>>
>>>Patrick,
>>>
>>>I am sorry, but you have missed the point.  Even if I 
>>
>>replace <q> with 
>>
>>><speech> I have the same issue.  I cannot milestone a 
>>
>>transChange, and 
>>
>>>I cannot start a speech (or a quote) inside of a transChange.
>>>
>>>Does that make it clear what I am talking about?
>>>
>>
>>Maybe. The reason why I suggested using the <q> element was 
>>to allow the 
>>use of <transChange>.
>>
>>What I now understand is that my solution depended upon reading a 
>>different structure from the one you are reading in the text 
>>to adapt to 
>>the markup (rather than the other way around).
>>
>>When you say:
>>
>> > I cannot milestone a transChange, and I
>> > cannot start a speech (or a quote) inside of a transChange.
>>
>>You do not mean that the <speech> or <q> should be contained 
>>inside the 
>><transChange>? Correct?
>>
>>In other words, what you are really looking for is for 
>><transChange> to 
>>become milestoneable such that you can start a <q> or 
>><speech> inside a 
>><transChange>?
>>
>>Taking your earlier example:
>>
>>"Some <say, 'He is> John the Baptist,'
>>
>>You want:
>>
>><q>Some <transChange sID="0101" type="added"/>say <q>He 
>>is<transChange 
>>eID="0101"> John the Baptist,</q></q>
>>
>>So it is <transChange> being able to cross element boundaries (along 
>>with the appropriate content models) that is the issue?
>>
>>Sorry, you're right, I missed that from the original post.
>>
>>The other question will be, what advantages/disadvantages are 
>>there to 
>>the following:
>>
>><q>Some <transChange type="added">say</transChange><q><transChange 
>>type="added">He is</transChange> John the Baptist</q></q>
>>
>>Captures the <transChange> without crossing the boundaries.
>>
>>May need to look at where transChange can occur, presently:
>>
>>catchWord
>>cell
>>chapter
>>closer
>>div
>>item
>>label
>>l
>>mentioned
>>p
>>q
>>rdg
>>salute
>>seg
>>speech
>>verse
>>
>>Children of <transChange>
>>
>>a
>>abbr
>>date
>>divineName
>>foreign
>>hi
>>index
>>lb
>>milestone
>>milestoneEnd
>>milestoneStart
>>name
>>note
>>reference
>>seg
>>w
>>
>>Apologies for the length of this response. This is something we will 
>>need to look at during our next meeting and I wanted to 
>>capture as much 
>>information as possible on the issue.
>>
>>Hope you are having a great day!
>>
>>Patrick
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>jim
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: Patrick Durusau [mailto:Patrick.Durusau@sbl-site.org]
>>>>Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:39 AM
>>>>To: jimsch@nwlink.com
>>>>Cc: osis-editors@bibletechnologieswg.org
>>>>Subject: Re: [osis-editors] Change for 2.0.1 Requested
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Jim,
>>>>
>>>>Jim Schaad wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Gentlemen,
>>>>>
>>>>>I am trying to encode the following text (Matt 16:14):
>>>>>
>>>>>14They said, "Some <say, 'He is> John the Baptist,' but others,
>>>>>'Elijah,' and others, 'Jeremiah or one of the prophets.'"
>>>>>
>>>>>In this text,  <..> should translate to <transChange type="added">
>>>>>This means that I get
>>>>>
>>>>><verse osisID="Matt.16.14>
>>>>>They said, <q>Some <transChange type="added"> say, <q
>>>>>sID="Matt.16.14.q.1"/>He is</transChange> <name 
>>>>
>>>>type="human">John the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Baptist</name>,<q eID="Matt.16.14.q.1"/> but others, <q><name
>>>>>type="human">Elijah</name>,</q> and others, <q><name 
>>>>>type="human">Jeremiah</name> or one of the 
>>>>
>>prophets.</q></q></verse>
>>
>>>>Based on the NIV, which is what is closer at the moment, I am
>>>>not sure 
>>>>about your division into quotes. Rather than quotes the 
>>>
>>portions John 
>>
>>>>the Baptist, Elijah, etc. are reports of speech and not 
>>>>quotations. The 
>>>>overall content of the verse following "They said" is a quotation.
>>>>
>>>>Thus,
>>>>
>>>><verse osisID="Matt.16.14>
>>>>They said, <q>Some say, <q
>>>>sID="Matt.16.14.q.1"/><transChange>He is</transChange> <name 
>>>>type="human">John the
>>>>Baptist</name>, but others, <name
>>>>type="human">Elijah</name>, and others, <name 
>>>>type="human">Jeremiah</name> or one of the prophets.</q></verse>
>>>>
>>>>Quote always allows <transChange> to be a child element.
>>>>
>>>>Does that help or have I missed the mark?
>>>>
>>>>Hope you are having a great day!
>>>>
>>>>Patrick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>The problem with this is that <transChange> does not allow a <q>
>>>>>element to appear in it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Jim
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Patrick Durusau
>>>>Director of Research and Development
>>>>Society of Biblical Literature
>>>>Patrick.Durusau@sbl-site.org
>>>>Chair, V1 - Text Processing: Office and Publishing Systems 
>>>>Interface Co-Editor, ISO 13250, Topic Maps -- Reference Model
>>>>
>>>>Topic Maps: Human, not artificial, intelligence at work!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>>-- 
>>Patrick Durusau
>>Director of Research and Development
>>Society of Biblical Literature
>>Patrick.Durusau@sbl-site.org
>>Chair, V1 - Text Processing: Office and Publishing Systems 
>>Interface Co-Editor, ISO 13250, Topic Maps -- Reference Model
>>
>>Topic Maps: Human, not artificial, intelligence at work!
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 

-- 
Patrick Durusau
Director of Research and Development
Society of Biblical Literature
Patrick.Durusau@sbl-site.org
Chair, V1 - Text Processing: Office and Publishing Systems Interface
Co-Editor, ISO 13250, Topic Maps -- Reference Model

Topic Maps: Human, not artificial, intelligence at work!