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Dear Chris<br><br>
As I thought, the number of double tags in the OT is worse than the NT,
though not as huge as I thought. <br><br>
The total number of double tags is 2444 which includes about 35 treble
tags<br>
I thought that most of these would involve 'minor' words, like in the NT,
but these words only account for a small number: <br>
H853 (eth) = 18 (all = 1st tag<br>
H3588 (ki that) = 3 (1 = 1st tag)<br>
H996 (bin - in) 2 (1st = 1)<br>
H413 (al - to) 5 (1st = 0)<br>
H834 (asher - which) 14 (1st = 4)<br>
H3605, H3606 (kol – all ) 7 (1st = 7)<br>
H5921 (al - on ) 1 (1st = 0)<br>
H4480 (min - from) 2 (1st =0)<br>
H3651 (ken - thus), 5 (1st = 3)<br><br>
Duplication = 223 (ie the same word repeated for emphasis)<br>
H00 405 (H00 indicates that the word has been already named, so
this isn't really a double tag)<br><br>
The OSMHB appears to have a different attitude to these double tags, so
the tagging becomes broken. <br><br>
A good example text to test is 1Kings 7.15 which has three double tags
and one due to a repeated word
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<dd><font size=2>$$$I Kings 7:15
<dd><w lemma="strong:H06696"
morph="strongMorph:TH8799">For he cast</w> <w
lemma="strong:H08147">two</w> <w
lemma="strong:H05982">pillars</w> <w
lemma="strong:H05178">of brass</w>, <w
lemma="<b>strong:H06240 strong:H08083</b>">of
eighteen</w> <w
lemma="strong:H0520">cubits</w> <w
lemma="strong:H06967">high</w> <w
lemma="<b>strong:H0259 strong:H05982</b>">apiece</w>:
<w lemma="strong:H02339">and a line</w> <w
lemma="<b>strong:H06240 strong:H08147"</b>>of
twelve</w> <w lemma="strong:H0520">cubits</w>
<w lemma="<b>strong:H00 strong:H05437</b>">did
compass</w> <w
lemma="strong:H08145">either</w> <w
lemma="strong:H05437"
morph="strongMorph:TH8799">of them about</w>.<note
type="study">cast: Heb.
fashioned</note><br><br></font>
</dl>David IB<br><br>
<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">I just checked on the size of
the problem. It isn't huge, though the OT is much more difficult,
<br>
so it is worth working out how to do things in the NT to get them right
in the OT. <br>
In the NT we have 14169 double-tags, but 14116 of these have G3588 as the
first tag (ie "the" which we are ignoring)<br>
When you exclude 3588 we are left with 53 double-tags (a few more than
14169-14116 cos of treble-tags)<br>
These occur in 39 verses in the NT.<br>
Mark 2.18-26 is a good passage: v.18x1, 19x3, 21x1, 22x1, 23x1, 26x2<br>
So Mark 2.19 is a good example:
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<dd>And Jesus said unto them, <u>Can </u>the children of the bridechamber
fast, <u>while</u> the bridegroom is with them? <u>As long as</u> they
have the bridegroom with them, they can not fast.
</dl>Another verse with 3 examples is Mk.9.42
<dl>
<dd>And <u>whosoever </u>shall offend one of <i>these </i>little ones
that believe in me, it is <u>better </u>for him that a <u>millstone
</u>were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
</dl>This example is particularly good cos it has: <br>
<u>whosoever</u> - an example of two tiny words which don't translate
well separately - ie <i>ean</i> "if" and <i>hos
"</i>which"<br>
<u>better</u> - two words which are separated in the Greek, <i>kalos</i>
"good" and <i>mallon</i> "more" <br>
<u>millstone</u> - the Greek is made of two words like the English used
to be, <i>milikos</i> "mill" and <i>lithos</i>
"stone". <br><br>
It would be great if the display could visually depict these links, eg:
<br><br>
<font face="Courier New, Courier"><i>kalon | estin |
autw | mallon | ei | perikeitai
| lithos | mulikos <br>
better | it is | for him |
</font><font face="Courier New, Courier" color="#FF0000">[better]
</font><font face="Courier New, Courier">|that | were hanged
| millstone<br><br>
<br>
</i>it is |
better | for him | that
| a millstone | were hanged <br>
<i>estin | kalon
</font><font face="Courier New, Courier" color="#FF0000">|</font>
<font face="Courier New, Courier">mallon |
autw | ei | lithos
</font><font face="Courier New, Courier" color="#FF0000">|</font>
<font face="Courier New, Courier">mulikos | perikeitai<br><br>
</i></font>However, I have no idea how you would do this!<br><br>
as to the glosses, what about: <br><br>
<font face="Courier New, Courier">it is
| better
| for him | that | a
millstone | were hanged <br>
<i>estin | kalon
</font><font face="Courier New, Courier" color="#FF0000">|</font>
<font face="Courier New, Courier">mallon |
autw | ei | lithos
</font><font face="Courier New, Courier" color="#FF0000">|</font>
<font face="Courier New, Courier">mulikos | perikeitai<br>
</i>to be | good | more
|he/her/-self| if | stone | millstone| to
surround <br><br>
</font>Note that I've changed "I am" to "to be".<br>
I've also changed "he/himself/here" [typo!] to
"he/her/-self"<br>
(I'm going to have to go through these glosses!) <br><br>
So, wrt your original question, what about:<b> stone | millstone<br>
</b>This will allow for things like <b>to do/make | quickly <br>
</b>(though I have no idea if anything like this will occur. <br><br>
I don't know if you can do anything with the additional challenge of
displaying these double-tags clearly. <br><br>
David IB<br><br>
<br>
At 14:20 17/11/2012, Chris Burrell wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Hi David<br><br>
Could we standardise the typography when we have several options for our
"one-word" lexicon entries. Instead of having it with both
commas and slashes. Let's go for slashes with no spaces. <br><br>
This will allow us to do [word1, word2] for double tagged words.<br><br>
Chris<br><br>
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