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On Friday, May 2nd, 2025 at 7:51 PM, Greg Hellings <greg.hellings@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">There is nothing insecure about it. We allow both HTTP and HTTPS connections.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If you use the incorrect hostname over HTTPS you get an invalid cert, because the hostname you told the browser to use does not match the cert. The solution is to use the correct hostname. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If you use HTTP some browsers give a warning that they don't like HTTP. The solution is to either ignore it because that's silly, or use HTTPS (correctly).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The server and browser both respond appropriately to what is, at the base case, a user error. </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">--Greg</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div class="gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Fri, May 2, 2025, 1:44 PM David Haslam <<a href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">It remains the case that the list <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank" title="archive / server" href="http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel">archive / server</a> has an insecure connection that uses only HTTP.<br><br>We should upgrade it ASAP to use HTTPS to avoid all the Browser Warnings!<br><br>It's 2025 now. Nobody nowadays should still be using HTTP.<br><br>With all the kerfuffle/hilarity about my use of <b>Leo</b>, we seem to have lost sight of the main point!</div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div>
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On Friday, May 2nd, 2025 at 6:27 PM, DM Smith <<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank" href="mailto:dmsmith@crosswire.org">dmsmith@crosswire.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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Fair enough of a disclaimer.<br id="m_-1427135392088236246lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On May 2, 2025, at 10:39 AM, Nathan Phillip Brink <<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank" href="mailto:ohnobinki@ohnopublishing.net">ohnobinki@ohnopublishing.net</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">I think Leo clearly enough said that he doesn't know the actual URI but that if this organization followed a common pattern, they might have chosen that URI. I don't think that's a hallucination, but I don't know the jargon.</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">On 2025-05-02 9:18:05 GMT-05:00, DM Smith <</span><a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:dmsmith@crosswire.org" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">dmsmith@crosswire.org</a><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">>:</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><blockquote type="cite" style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">Leo is hallucinating. This is a well known problem of GPT agents.<br><br><blockquote type="cite">On May 2, 2025, at 8:13 AM, David Haslam <<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank" href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>Hi Troy,<br><br>That's a curious question!<br><br>Me: What is pipermail?<br><br>Leo: Based on the search results, **pipermail** appears to be a term related to electronic mailing lists, specifically the archives of mailing lists managed by the GNU Mailman software.<br><br>According to Wikipedia, GNU Mailman is a computer software application for managing electronic mailing lists, and pipermail is likely a part of this system. It seems that pipermail is used to access and browse the archives of mailing lists.<br><br>If you're looking for more information on pipermail, I can try to help you further.<br><br>Me: What is the URL for the archive of the CrossWire Bible Society's mailing list called sword-devel ?<br><br>Leo: The URL for the archive of the CrossWire Bible Society's mailing list called sword-devel is not explicitly mentioned in the search results you provided. However, based on the context, it appears to be related to email list archives or mailing list management systems.<br><br>From the search results, it seems that the `pipermail` term is related to email list archives, specifically the archives of mailing lists managed by the GNU Mailman software.<span> </span><br><br>Given this information, it is possible that the URL for the archive of the CrossWire Bible Society's mailing list called sword-devel is in the format of `<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank" href="https://lists.crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/">https://lists.crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/`</a> or something similar.<br><br>Aside: Leo is the AI agent in the Brave browser.<br><br>So, now you know how I found it, is there something amiss with the aforementioned hostname?<br>I don't recall seeing it before, but, hey!<br><br>Best regards,<br><br>David<br><br>Sent with Proton Mail <<a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://pr.tn/ref/SWXT9A5YZ67G">https://pr.tn/ref/SWXT9A5YZ67G</a>> secure email.<br><br>On Friday, May 2nd, 2025 at 1:03 PM, Troy A. Griffitts <<a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:scribe@crosswire.org">scribe@crosswire.org</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">Don't use 'lists' dot<span> </span><a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="http://crosswire.org/">crosswire.org</a>. Where did you find that hostname? We have a catchall, so you can say<span> </span><a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://bettyboop.crosswire.org/">https://bettyboop.crosswire.org</a><<a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://bettyboop.crosswire.org/">https://bettyboop.crosswire.org/</a>> if you want, but the certificate won't be value for that domain.<br><br>On 5/2/25 6:46 AM, David Haslam wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">If you visit (eg)<span> </span><a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://lists.crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/">https://lists.crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/</a><br><br>The first thing you notice is a Browser Warning that the URL is insecure.<br>The https connection falls back to insecure http<br><br>Please would someone with access to our server make the necessary changes for our list archives.<br><br><br>Best regards,<br><br>David<br><br>Sent with Proton Mail <<a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://pr.tn/ref/SWXT9A5YZ67G">https://pr.tn/ref/SWXT9A5YZ67G</a>> secure email.<br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>sword-devel mailing list:<span> </span><a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org">sword-devel@crosswire.org</a><span> </span><<a target="_blank" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org">mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org</a>><br><a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank" href="http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel">http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel</a><br>Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page<br></blockquote></blockquote><br>_______________________________________________<br>sword-devel mailing list: <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank" href="mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org">sword-devel@crosswire.org</a><br><a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank" href="http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel">http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel</a><br>Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page<br></blockquote><br></blockquote><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">_______________________________________________</span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">sword-devel mailing list: <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank" href="mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org">sword-devel@crosswire.org</a></span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important"><a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank" href="http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel">http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel</a></span><br style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none"><span style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page</span></div></blockquote></div><br>
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