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It is true that it would be nice if the footer on the mailing list
could be updated to show an HTTPS URI instead of an HTTP one. Then
users would get a little bit of protection if they follow the links
while using a public hotspot. Is that possible?<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2025-05-02 14:51, Greg Hellings
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">There is nothing insecure about it. We allow both
HTTP and HTTPS connections.
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<div dir="auto">If you use the incorrect hostname over HTTPS you
get an invalid cert, because the hostname you told the browser
to use does not match the cert. The solution is to use the
correct hostname. </div>
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<div dir="auto">If you use HTTP some browsers give a warning
that they don't like HTTP. The solution is to either ignore it
because that's silly, or use HTTPS (correctly).</div>
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<div dir="auto">The server and browser both respond
appropriately to what is, at the base case, a user error. </div>
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<div dir="auto">--Greg</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, May 2, 2025, 1:44 PM
David Haslam <<a href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a>>
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<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">It
remains the case that the list <a
href="http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel"
title="archive / server" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">archive / server</a> has an
insecure connection that uses only HTTP.<br>
<br>
We should upgrade it ASAP to use HTTPS to avoid all the
Browser Warnings!<br>
<br>
It's 2025 now. Nobody nowadays should still be using HTTP.<br>
<br>
With all the kerfuffle/hilarity about my use of <b>Leo</b>,
we seem to have lost sight of the main point!</div>
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<div> Best regards,<br>
<br>
David </div>
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<div> On Friday, May 2nd, 2025 at 6:27 PM, DM Smith <<a
href="mailto:dmsmith@crosswire.org" target="_blank"
rel="noreferrer" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dmsmith@crosswire.org</a>>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite"> Fair enough of a disclaimer.<br
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<div>On May 2, 2025, at 10:39 AM, Nathan Phillip Brink
<<a href="mailto:ohnobinki@ohnopublishing.net"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">ohnobinki@ohnopublishing.net</a>>
wrote:</div>
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<div><span
style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">I
think Leo clearly enough said that he doesn't know
the actual URI but that if this organization
followed a common pattern, they might have chosen
that URI. I don't think that's a hallucination,
but I don't know the jargon.</span><br
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<br
style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none">
<span
style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">On
2025-05-02 9:18:05 GMT-05:00, DM Smith <</span><a
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href="mailto:dmsmith@crosswire.org"
rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dmsmith@crosswire.org</a><span
style="font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline!important">>:</span><br
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type="cite">Leo is hallucinating. This is a well
known problem of GPT agents.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">On May 2, 2025, at
8:13 AM, David Haslam <<a
href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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Hi Troy,<br>
<br>
That's a curious question!<br>
<br>
Me: What is pipermail?<br>
<br>
Leo: Based on the search results, **pipermail**
appears to be a term related to electronic
mailing lists, specifically the archives of
mailing lists managed by the GNU Mailman
software.<br>
<br>
According to Wikipedia, GNU Mailman is a
computer software application for managing
electronic mailing lists, and pipermail is
likely a part of this system. It seems that
pipermail is used to access and browse the
archives of mailing lists.<br>
<br>
If you're looking for more information on
pipermail, I can try to help you further.<br>
<br>
Me: What is the URL for the archive of the
CrossWire Bible Society's mailing list called
sword-devel ?<br>
<br>
Leo: The URL for the archive of the CrossWire
Bible Society's mailing list called sword-devel
is not explicitly mentioned in the search
results you provided. However, based on the
context, it appears to be related to email list
archives or mailing list management systems.<br>
<br>
From the search results, it seems that the
`pipermail` term is related to email list
archives, specifically the archives of mailing
lists managed by the GNU Mailman software.<span> </span><br>
<br>
Given this information, it is possible that the
URL for the archive of the CrossWire Bible
Society's mailing list called sword-devel is in
the format of `<a
href="https://lists.crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/"
target="_blank" rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://lists.crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/`</a>
or something similar.<br>
<br>
Aside: Leo is the AI agent in the Brave browser.<br>
<br>
So, now you know how I found it, is there
something amiss with the aforementioned
hostname?<br>
I don't recall seeing it before, but, hey!<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
David<br>
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On Friday, May 2nd, 2025 at 1:03 PM, Troy A.
Griffitts <<a
href="mailto:scribe@crosswire.org"
rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Don't use 'lists' dot<span> </span><a
href="http://crosswire.org/"
rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">crosswire.org</a>.
Where did you find that hostname? We have a
catchall, so you can say<span> </span><a
href="https://bettyboop.crosswire.org/"
rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://bettyboop.crosswire.org</a><<a
href="https://bettyboop.crosswire.org/"
rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://bettyboop.crosswire.org/</a>>
if you want, but the certificate won't be
value for that domain.<br>
<br>
On 5/2/25 6:46 AM, David Haslam wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">If you visit (eg)<span> </span><a
href="https://lists.crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/"
rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://lists.crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/</a><br>
<br>
The first thing you notice is a Browser
Warning that the URL is insecure.<br>
The https connection falls back to insecure
http<br>
<br>
Please would someone with access to our
server make the necessary changes for our
list archives.<br>
<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
David<br>
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