<div dir="ltr"><div>Maybe I'm missing something, but for the "nomina sacra" use case, why are you not using the dedicated semantic <divineName> tag ?</div><div><br></div><div>OSIS is designed to store semantic markup when possible, rather than formatting information.</div><div>The OSIS manual clearly specifies that "The hi element is reserved for cases where the reason for the highlighting or other typographic distinction is unknown." Here, you know what the reason is, and OSIS provides a dedicated tag for your use case. So using <hi> here is actually a misusage as far as OSIS is concerned.</div><div><br></div><div>The more correct course of action would be using <divineName>, and ensuring that the rendering code in SWORD is applying a proper formatting to this divineName tag.<br></div><div>(Or even better, allow bibles to carry "stylesheets" to customise the rendering of tags per-bible without sacrificing the semantic information - but that's a matter for another day).</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Arnaud</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le sam. 15 mars 2025 à 04:53, David Haslam <<a href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">I've now documented some of this in the developers' wiki, under a new section for <b>Text styles.</b></div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><a href="https://wiki.crosswire.org/OSIS_Bibles#Text_styles" target="_blank">OSIS Bibles - CrossWire Bible Society</a><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">
<div>
Best regards,<br><br>David
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div>
<div>
Sent with <a href="https://pr.tn/ref/SWXT9A5YZ67G" target="_blank">Proton Mail</a> secure email.
</div>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div><div>
On Saturday, March 15th, 2025 at 12:48 AM, DM Smith <<a href="mailto:dmsmith@crosswire.org" target="_blank">dmsmith@crosswire.org</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
Your question is really whether it is buggy. it looks good to me,<div>Really, Troy has a module for which it works. There may be a future latex, html, xhtml, tei, …. that might find a problem and find a bug.</div><div><br></div><div>There is an incomplete test suite (all test suites are incomplete!) that could be improved with fuller input. Maybe this too.</div><div><br></div><div>So much of our software development is, “works for me” I’ll go on to the next thing. That’s what I do. If someone finds a problem, then I’ll fix it.</div><div><br></div><div>DM<br id="m_564705378148498144lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Mar 14, 2025, at 12:45 PM, David Haslam <<a href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" target="_blank">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Thanks Troy, 😀</div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Your replies were clearly intended to be read by coders! 🥸</div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><i>Has anyone tested this bit of code yet?</i></div><div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">
<div>
Best regards,<br><br>David
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div>
<div>
Sent with <a href="https://pr.tn/ref/SWXT9A5YZ67G" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Proton Mail</a> secure email.
</div>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br></div><div>
On Friday, March 14th, 2025 at 4:38 PM, Troy A. Griffitts <<a href="mailto:scribe@crosswire.org" target="_blank">scribe@crosswire.org</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite"><p>I believe we support this in SWORD:</p><p>```</p><p>[tgriffitts@fedora filters]$ grep overline *<br>
osishtmlhref.cpp: else if (type == "ol" || type ==
"overline" || type == "x-overline") {<br>
osishtmlhref.cpp: outText("<span
style=\"text-decoration:overline\">", buf, u);<br>
osislatex.cpp: // there is no officially supported
OSIS overline attribute,<br>
osislatex.cpp: // thus either TEI overline or OSIS
x-overline would be best,<br>
osislatex.cpp: // OSIS overline attribute is made
available, these should all<br>
osislatex.cpp: else if (type == "ol" || type ==
"overline" || type == "x-overline") {<br>
osislatex.cpp: outText("\\textoverline{", buf,
u);<br>
osisplain.cpp: // there is no officially supported
OSIS overline attribute,<br>
osisplain.cpp: // thus either TEI overline or OSIS
x-overline would be best,<br>
osisplain.cpp: // OSIS overline attribute is made
available, these should all<br>
osisplain.cpp: if (strstr(token, "rend=\"ol\"") ||
strstr(token, "rend=\"x-overline\"") || strstr(token,
"rend=\"overline\"")<br>
osisplain.cpp: || strstr(token, "type=\"ol\"")
|| strstr(token, "type=\"x-overline\"") || strstr(token,
"type=\"overline\"")) {<br>
osisplain.cpp: u->hiType = "overline";<br>
osisplain.cpp: if (u->hiType == "overline") {<br>
osisxhtml.cpp: .overline { text-decoration: overline; }\n\<br>
osisxhtml.cpp: // there is no officially supported
OSIS overline attribute,<br>
osisxhtml.cpp: // thus either TEI overline or OSIS
x-overline would be best,<br>
osisxhtml.cpp: // OSIS overline attribute is made
available, these should all<br>
osisxhtml.cpp: else if (type == "ol" || type ==
"overline" || type == "x-overline") {<br>
osisxhtml.cpp: outText("<span
class=\"overline\">", buf, u);<br>
teihtmlhref.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")<br>
teihtmlhref.cpp: buf += "<span
style=\"text-decoration:overline\">";<br>
teihtmlhref.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")<br>
teilatex.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")<br>
teilatex.cpp: buf += "\\overline{";<br>
teixhtml.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")<br>
teixhtml.cpp: buf += "<span
style=\"text-decoration:overline\">";<br>
teixhtml.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")<br>
```</p><p><br>
</p>
<div>On 3/14/25 3:31 PM, David Haslam wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Thanks
DM,</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">As
and when we get a fix on this for SWORD as well as JSword, we
should add a suitable description in <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://wiki.crosswire.org/OSIS_Bibles#Miscellaneous" target="_blank">OSIS Bibles - CrossWire Bible Society</a></div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span style="display:inline;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">We
might even use the<span> </span></span><i style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><b>nomen-sacrum</b></i><span style="display:inline;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span> </span>case
as the illustrated example.</span><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span style="display:inline;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br>
</span></div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Can
anyone familiar with how SWORD works tell us whether</div>
<blockquote style="border-left:3px solid rgb(200,200,200);border-color:rgb(200,200,200);padding-left:10px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace"></span><span style="font-family:monospace;font-size:12pt;line-height:normal"><hi</span><span style="font-family:monospace;font-size:13px"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">rend</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">="</span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">overline</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">"</span></span><span style="font-family:monospace;font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">></span><span style="font-family:monospace;font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">θς</span><span style="font-family:monospace;font-size:12pt;line-height:normal"></hi></span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace"></span></div>
</blockquote>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">would
be correctly rendered by SWORD?</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">And
would we need to specify this within an eXtended <b>type</b>
attribute value (one with an "x-" prefix) for the <b>abbr</b>
element?</div>
<blockquote style="border-left:3px solid rgb(200,200,200);border-color:rgb(200,200,200);padding-left:10px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><span style="font-family:monospace;font-size:13px"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal"><abbr</span><span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">type</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">="x-</span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">nomSac</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">"</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">></span></span>
<div style="margin-left:1em;font-family:monospace;font-size:13px">
<div><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal"><hi</span><span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">rend</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">="</span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">overline</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">"</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">></span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">θς</span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal"></hi></span></div>
</div>
<span style="font-family:monospace;font-size:13px"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal"></abbr></span></span><br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">
<div> Best regards,<br>
<br>
David </div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
</div>
<div> Sent with <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://pr.tn/ref/SWXT9A5YZ67G" target="_blank">Proton Mail</a> secure email. </div>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
</div>
<div> On Friday, March 14th, 2025 at 1:58
PM, DM Smith <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:dmsmith@crosswire.org" target="_blank"><dmsmith@crosswire.org></a> wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite"> Regarding
JSword, it supports some TEI within OSIS. Specifically it
supports hi with TEI’s attribute rend in addition to OSIS’s
attribute type. Chris Little directed that this should be so.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>It has been a long time since we discussed this, so my
memory might be faulty that OSIS was based on TEI and
SWORD/JSword would allow some TEI constructs with the OSIS
filter.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>JSword needs a small, easy change to support overline. At
this time, it will show the text without any decoration. It
should be added to our edition of OSIS.<br id="m_564705378148498144lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage">
<div><br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>On Mar 14, 2025, at 4:55 AM, David Haslam
<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" target="_blank"><dfhdfh@protonmail.com></a> wrote:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Hi Troy,<br>
<br>
Does SWORD support an OSIS equivalent to this TEI
snippet?</div>
<blockquote style="border-left:3px solid rgb(200,200,200);border-color:rgb(200,200,200);padding-left:10px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">
<div style="margin-left:1em;font-family:monospace;font-size:13px">
<div><span><span><abbr<span><span> </span><span>type</span>="<span>nomSac</span>"</span>></span></span>
<div style="margin-left:1em">
<div><span><hi<span><span> </span><span>rend</span>="<span>overline</span>"</span>></span><span>θς</span><span></hi></span></div>
</div>
<span><span></abbr></span></span></div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Not asking
about the <b>abbr</b> element, but the <b>rend="overline"</b>
attribute for the <b>hi</b> element.</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Rendering text
with <b>overline</b> is not documented in the <b>OSIS
User Manual</b>.<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">
<ol style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px">
<li style="list-style-type:"1. ""><span>Has
this ever been tested in SWORD front-ends?<br>
</span></li>
<li style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;list-style-type:"2. "">How
about JSword-based apps?<br>
</li>
</ol>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">
<div> Best
regards,<br>
<br>
David </div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
</div>
<div> Sent
with <a href="https://pr.tn/ref/SWXT9A5YZ67G" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Proton Mail</a> secure
email. </div>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
</div>
<div> On Friday, March 14th,
2025 at 8:48 AM, David Haslam
<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" target="_blank"><dfhdfh@protonmail.com></a> wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Follow-up...<br>
<br>
The screenshot image in my <u>previous reply</u>
is what I saw in <b>Safari</b> when I clicked
Troy's link while viewing messages from my <b>iPad
Mini 4</b>.<br>
<br>
Now that I've done likewise while viewing
messages from my <b>Windows 11 PC</b>, I see a
proper XML file via the <b>Edge</b> browser!<br>
<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">
<blockquote style="border-left:3px solid rgb(200,200,200);border-color:rgb(200,200,200);padding-left:10px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
<div><span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace"><w></span></span>
<div style="margin-left:1em">
<div>
<div><span style="display:inline-block;width:10px;background:url("");vertical-align:bottom;height:10px"></span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace"><abbr</span><span><span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace"> </span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace">type</span></span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace">="</span><span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace">nomSac</span></span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace">"</span></span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace">></span></div>
<div style="margin-left:1em">
<div><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace"><hi</span><span><span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace"> </span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace">rend</span></span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace">="</span><span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace">overline</span></span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace">"</span></span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace">></span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace">θς</span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace"></hi></span></div>
</div>
<div><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace"></abbr></span></div>
</div>
</div>
<div><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace"></w></span></div>
</div>
<span></span>
<div><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace"><w></span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace">τον</span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace"></w></span></div>
<span></span>
<div><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace"><w></span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace">κοσμον</span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace"></w></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace"><pc></span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace">·</span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace"></pc></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace"><lb/></span></div>
<div><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace"><w></span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace">ωστε</span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace"></w></span></div>
<span></span>
<div><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace"><w></span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace">τον</span><span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace"></w></span><span><br>
</span></div>
</blockquote>
<br>
Just shows that WYSINAWYG ! 🥸</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">
<div>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
David </div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
</div>
<div>
Sent with <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://pr.tn/ref/SWXT9A5YZ67G" target="_blank">Proton Mail</a>
secure email. </div>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
</div>
<div> On Friday, March
14th, 2025 at 6:40 AM, David Haslam
<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" target="_blank"><dfhdfh@protonmail.com></a> wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="auto"><br>
<span id="m_564705378148498144cid:106d2d31-021b-436b-80ed-0686abfbff3a_image.png"><106d2d31-021b-436b-80ed-0686abfbff3a_image.png></span><br>
Hi Troy,</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Above is what I see after I
clicked your link! Not sure if that’s what
you intended.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">David</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 23:52, Troy A.
Griffitts <<a href="mailto:On+Thu,+Mar+13,+2025+at+23:52,+Troy+A.+Griffitts+%3C%3Ca+href=" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">scribe@crosswire.org</a>>
wrote:
<blockquote type="cite"><p>This is how we record nomen sacrum in TEI
and should transfer to OSIS just fine,
e.g.,</p><p><a href="https://ntvmr.uni-muenster.de/community/vmr/api/transcript/get/?docID=20001&indexContent=John.3.16&format=teiraw" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://ntvmr.uni-muenster.de/community/vmr/api/transcript/get/?docID=20001&indexContent=John.3.16&format=teiraw</a></p><p><br>
</p>
<div> On 3/13/25
4:28 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote: <br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr"> I think the best and
correct way is to call this ‘display’
and encode the exact look you want to
achieve via style sheet. </div>
<div id="m_564705378148498144ms-outlook-mobile-body-separator-line" dir="ltr"> <br>
</div>
<div id="m_564705378148498144ms-outlook-mobile-signature">
Sent from <a href="https://aka.ms/o0ukef" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Outlook for iOS</a>
</div>
<div> </div>
<hr style="display:inline-block;width:98%">
<div id="m_564705378148498144divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"> <span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><b>From:</b> sword-devel <a href="mailto:sword-devel-bounces@crosswire.org" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank"><sword-devel-bounces@crosswire.org></a>
on behalf of David Haslam <a href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank"><dfhdfh@protonmail.com></a><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 13, 2025
2:34 pm<br>
<b>To:</b> Alan Bunning <a href="mailto:greekcntr@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank"><greekcntr@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> sword-devel mailing list <a href="mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank"><sword-devel@crosswire.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [sword-devel] Fwd:
[modules] New Beta Module: StatResGNT</span>
<div style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </div>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> It would also
require that we devise a means to encode
in the OSIS the equivalent to what was
used in the underlying Wiki format ! </div>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> <br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace;font-size:13.5pt">
<span style="line-height:normal">{{overline|ΘΥ}}</span>
</div>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> <br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> I doubt if the
SWORD engine has a means to implement
that! </div>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> <br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> Best regards,
<br>
<br>
David </div>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> <br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> Sent with <a href="https://proton.me/mail/home" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Proton Mail</a> secure
email. </div>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> <br>
</div>
<div> On
Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 2:22 PM,
David Haslam <a href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank"><dfhdfh@protonmail.com></a>
wrote: <br>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> Thanks, Alan,
for the explanation. </div>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> <br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> This then
prompts a suggestion as to the
potential use of the OSIS <b>abbr</b> element
for each instance. This would require
that each type of <b><i>nomina sacrum</i></b> would
then need to be retained as the
abbreviation, and then expanded using
the XML attribute, e.g. </div>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> <br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.5pt"> <span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace;line-height:normal"><abbr
expansion="Θεοῦ"></span> <span style="font-family:sans-serif;color:rgb(32,33,34);background-color:rgb(255,255,255);line-height:normal">ΘΥ</span>
<span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace;line-height:normal"></abbr></span>
</div>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> <br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> Please refer
to the <b>OSIS User Manual</b> section
13.2 <br>
<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> NB. I don't
know whether the SWORD engine has any
code to display the expansions! </div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> <i>The coders
might enlighten us on this point. I
have therefore cc: to </i> <b><i>sword-devel</i></b>
<i> in this reply.<br>
</i> <br>
<br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> Best regards,
<br>
<br>
David </div>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> <br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> Sent with <a href="https://proton.me/mail/home" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Proton Mail</a> secure
email. </div>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> <br>
</div>
<div> On
Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 1:45 PM,
Alan Bunning <a href="mailto:greekcntr@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank"><greekcntr@gmail.com></a>
wrote: <br>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div> Yes,
that symbol is used to mark nomina
sacra. <br>
<br>
</div>
<div> <i>Alan
Bunning, D.Litt.<br>
Executive Director<br>
Center for New Testament
Restoration<br>
<a href="https://greekcntr.org/" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">https://greekcntr.org</a></i>
<br>
<br>
</div>
<div> On
3/13/2025 9:42 AM, Kovács Zoltán
wrote: <br>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div dir="ltr"> Dear
Alan, </div>
<div dir="ltr"> I
received the following emails. I
haven't looked into them very
much, but maybe you want to join
the conversation. </div>
<div dir="ltr">
Blessings, Zoltan <br>
<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">
---------- Forwarded message
--------- <br>
Feladó: <b>David Haslam</b> <
<a href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a>>
<br>
Date: 2025. márc. 13., Cs, 14:37 <br>
Subject: Re: [modules] New Beta
Module: StatResGNT <br>
To: pierre amadio < <a href="mailto:amadio.pierre@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">amadio.pierre@gmail.com</a>>
<br>
Cc: Kovács Zoltán < <a href="mailto:kovzol@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">kovzol@gmail.com</a>>,
< <a href="mailto:modules@crosswire.org" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">modules@crosswire.org</a>>
<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"> <br>
<br>
</div><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Hi Pierre,<br>
<br>
That's a very plausible
explanation!<br>
<br>
Here are the relevant lines from
my <b>word count</b>.</span></p>
<blockquote style="padding-left:10px;border-left:3px solid rgb(200,200,200)">
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
Word Count </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Θεέ 2 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Θεοῦ 690 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Θεόν 73 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Θεός 68 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Θεὸν 72 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Θεὸς 239 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Θεῷ 158 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Κυρίου 231 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Κυρίῳ 95 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Κύριε 89 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Κύριον 63 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Κύριος 139 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Κύριόν 1 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Κύριός 10 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Πνεύματι 59 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Πνεύματος 79 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Πνεύματός 5 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Πνεῦμά 7 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Πνεῦμα 99 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Χριστέ 1 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Χριστοῦ 252 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Χριστόν 18 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Χριστός 41 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Χριστὸν 48 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Χριστὸς 71 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Χριστῷ 104 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚θεὸς 1 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Ἰησοῦ 329 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Ἰησοῦν 126 </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px;color:rgb(102,102,102)">
˚Ἰησοῦς 456 </div>
</blockquote>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> <br>
NB. If this is a technical means
to mark the use of <b><i>nomina
sacra</i></b>, then it ought
to be described in the conf file!
<br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> Best regards,
<br>
<br>
David </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> <br>
</div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> Sent with <a href="https://proton.me/mail/home" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">Proton
Mail</a> secure email. </div>
<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote" style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"> <br>
<br>
On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at
1:11 PM, pierre amadio <a href="mailto:amadio.pierre@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">amadio.pierre@gmail.com</a>
wrote: </div>
<blockquote><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Hi there.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">As far as I
know, there is no such greek
accent as a circular mark<br>
such as Ring Above (U+02DA).<br>
Looking at the source text,
they seem to always appears
next to words such as<br>
<a href="https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/main/SR.txt" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/main/SR.txt</a><br>
˚Ἰησοῦ ˚Χριστοῦ,<br>
˚Πνεύματος<br>
˚Κυρίου</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Could it be a
way to mark the use of a
nomina sacra in manuscripts ?<br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomina_sacra" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomina_sacra</a></span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">On Thu, 13 Mar
2025 at 13:38, Kovács Zoltán <a href="mailto:kovzol@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">kovzol@gmail.com</a>
wrote:</span></p>
<blockquote><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Thanks, David,
I will look into it and get
back to you.<br>
Best, Zoltan</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">David Haslam <a href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a>
ezt írta (időpont: 2025.
márc. 13., Cs, 13:33):</span></p>
<blockquote><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Arising from
the grapheme count, I have
a further technical query.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">There are 3626
instances of U+02DA RING
ABOVE.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">I am wondering
whether these would be
better being all replaced
by U+030A COMBINING RING
ABOVE, and if so, whether
the mark should follow the
Greek letter rather than
precede it.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">NB. My
knowledge of Ancient Greek
accents rules is fairly
limited.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Q. What is the
most suitable Unicode font
for viewing a Greek NT
text?<br>
Might it be sensible to
include such an element in
the .conf file?</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Best regards,</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">David</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Sent with
Proton Mail secure email.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">On Thursday,
March 13th, 2025 at 12:13
PM, David Haslam <a href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a>
wrote:</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Hi Kovács,</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Using BabelPad
Tools, I have just done a
grapheme count on the full
Greek text with accents.<br>
i.e. After first stripping
out the references from
the diatheke output. See
inside attached 7-Zip
file.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">There are two
left/right count
mismatches that ought to
be looked at.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">2018 ‘ 483<br>
2019 ’ 484<br>
201C “ 1,904<br>
201D ” 1,907</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">cf. The counts
of left/right parentheses
were OK.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">0028 ( 62<br>
0029 ) 62</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Best regards,</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">David</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Sent with
Proton Mail secure email.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">On Thursday,
March 13th, 2025 at 11:59
AM, David Haslam <a href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a>
wrote:</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">This module has
the wrong Versification.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">It's a Greek NT
and therefore LXX is
simply the wrong choice!</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Please fix this
ASAP.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Dom, Please
also fix any bug in your
script that led to this
mistake!</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Best regards,</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">David</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Sent with
Proton Mail secure email.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">On Wednesday,
March 12th, 2025 at 5:52
PM, <a href="mailto:domcox@crosswire.org" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">domcox@crosswire.org</a>
<a href="mailto:domcox@crosswire.org" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">domcox@crosswire.org</a>
wrote:</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">This is to
announce that we have just
now uploaded StatResGNT<br>
in the CrossWire beta
repository for testing
purposes.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">If no raised
concern nor a quality
alert has been sent on the
list,<br>
StatResGNT will be
published in a week.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">This is an
update.<br>
Language=Ancient Greek (to
1453)<br>
Version=1.3<br>
History_1.3=(2025-03-12)
Update to newest release
(last database change:
2024-07-16)<br>
TextSource=<a href="https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/master/SR.txt" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/master/SR.txt</a><br>
Versification=LXX</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Many thanks to
Kovács_Zoltán for the hard
work.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">yours</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">P.S.: This
email is sent
automatically.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">_______________________________________________<br>
modules mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:modules@crosswire.org" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">modules@crosswire.org</a><br>
<a href="http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/modules" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/modules</a></span></p>
</blockquote><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px"><br>
</span></p>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<div> <br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div> <br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div> <br>
</div>
<br>
<fieldset></fieldset>
<pre>_______________________________________________
sword-devel mailing list: <a href="mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">sword-devel@crosswire.org</a>
<a href="http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" target="_blank">http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel</a>
Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div>
_______________________________________________<br>
sword-devel mailing list: <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org" target="_blank">sword-devel@crosswire.org</a><br>
<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel" target="_blank">http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel</a><br>
Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at
above page<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
</div>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div>
<br>
<fieldset></fieldset>
<pre>_______________________________________________
sword-devel mailing list: <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org" target="_blank">sword-devel@crosswire.org</a>
<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel" target="_blank">http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel</a>
Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page
</pre>
</blockquote>
</blockquote><br>
</div>_______________________________________________<br>sword-devel mailing list: <a href="mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org" target="_blank">sword-devel@crosswire.org</a><br><a href="http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel" target="_blank">http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel</a><br>Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div>
</blockquote><br>
</div>_______________________________________________<br>
sword-devel mailing list: <a href="mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org" target="_blank">sword-devel@crosswire.org</a><br>
<a href="http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel</a><br>
Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page<br>
</blockquote></div>