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The divineName is used only for the Tetragrammaton and its conjugates from the Hebrew OT. The SWORD engine renders such using small-caps.
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Nomina Sacra are a quite different matter. Refer to the Wikipedia article.
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Even the name Jerusalem has a Nomen Sacrum in some MSS.
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</div>On Sat, Mar 15, 2025 at 10:31, Arnaud Vié <
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Maybe I'm missing something, but for the "nomina sacra" use case, why are you not using the dedicated semantic <divineName> tag ?
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OSIS is designed to store semantic markup when possible, rather than formatting information.
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The OSIS manual clearly specifies that "The hi element is reserved for cases where the reason for the highlighting or other typographic distinction is unknown." Here, you know what the reason is, and OSIS provides a dedicated tag for your use case. So using <hi> here is actually a misusage as far as OSIS is concerned.
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The more correct course of action would be using <divineName>, and ensuring that the rendering code in SWORD is applying a proper formatting to this divineName tag.
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(Or even better, allow bibles to carry "stylesheets" to customise the rendering of tags per-bible without sacrificing the semantic information - but that's a matter for another day).
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I've now documented some of this in the developers' wiki, under a new section for
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<a href="https://wiki.crosswire.org/OSIS_Bibles#Text_styles" target="_blank">OSIS Bibles - CrossWire Bible Society</a>
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On Saturday, March 15th, 2025 at 12:48 AM, DM Smith <
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Your question is really whether it is buggy. it looks good to me,
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Really, Troy has a module for which it works. There may be a future latex, html, xhtml, tei, …. that might find a problem and find a bug.
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There is an incomplete test suite (all test suites are incomplete!) that could be improved with fuller input. Maybe this too.
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So much of our software development is, “works for me” I’ll go on to the next thing. That’s what I do. If someone finds a problem, then I’ll fix it.
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Thanks Troy, 😀
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Your replies were clearly intended to be read by coders! 🥸
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<i>Has anyone tested this bit of code yet?</i>
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<p>I believe we support this in SWORD:</p>
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<p>[tgriffitts@fedora filters]$ grep overline *<br> osishtmlhref.cpp: else if (type == "ol" || type == "overline" || type == "x-overline") {<br> osishtmlhref.cpp: outText("<span style=\"text-decoration:overline\">", buf, u);<br> osislatex.cpp: // there is no officially supported OSIS overline attribute,<br> osislatex.cpp: // thus either TEI overline or OSIS x-overline would be best,<br> osislatex.cpp: // OSIS overline attribute is made available, these should all<br> osislatex.cpp: else if (type == "ol" || type == "overline" || type == "x-overline") {<br> osislatex.cpp: outText("\\textoverline{", buf, u);<br> osisplain.cpp: // there is no officially supported OSIS overline attribute,<br> osisplain.cpp: // thus either TEI overline or OSIS x-overline would be best,<br> osisplain.cpp: // OSIS overline attribute is made available, these should all<br> osisplain.cpp: if (strstr(token, "rend=\"ol\"") || strstr(token, "rend=\"x-overline\"") || strstr(token, "rend=\"overline\"")<br> osisplain.cpp: || strstr(token, "type=\"ol\"") || strstr(token, "type=\"x-overline\"") || strstr(token, "type=\"overline\"")) {<br> osisplain.cpp: u->hiType = "overline";<br> osisplain.cpp: if (u->hiType == "overline") {<br> osisxhtml.cpp: .overline { text-decoration: overline; }\n\<br> osisxhtml.cpp: // there is no officially supported OSIS overline attribute,<br> osisxhtml.cpp: // thus either TEI overline or OSIS x-overline would be best,<br> osisxhtml.cpp: // OSIS overline attribute is made available, these should all<br> osisxhtml.cpp: else if (type == "ol" || type == "overline" || type == "x-overline") {<br> osisxhtml.cpp: outText("<span class=\"overline\">", buf, u);<br> teihtmlhref.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")<br> teihtmlhref.cpp: buf += "<span style=\"text-decoration:overline\">";<br> teihtmlhref.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")<br> teilatex.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")<br> teilatex.cpp: buf += "\\overline{";<br> teixhtml.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")<br> teixhtml.cpp: buf += "<span style=\"text-decoration:overline\">";<br> teixhtml.cpp: else if (rend == "overline")<br> ```</p>
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Thanks DM,
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As and when we get a fix on this for SWORD as well as JSword, we should add a suitable description in
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<span style="display:inline;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">We might even use the<span> </span></span>
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Can anyone familiar with how SWORD works tell us whether
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<span style="font-family:monospace;font-size:13px"><span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">rend</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">="</span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">overline</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">"</span></span>
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would be correctly rendered by SWORD?
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And would we need to specify this within an eXtended
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<span style="font-family:monospace;font-size:13px"><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal"><abbr</span><span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">type</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">="x-</span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">nomSac</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">"</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">></span></span>
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<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal"><hi</span>
<span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal"> </span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">rend</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">="</span><span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">overline</span></span><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:normal">"</span></span>
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Regarding JSword, it supports some TEI within OSIS. Specifically it supports hi with TEI’s attribute rend in addition to OSIS’s attribute type. Chris Little directed that this should be so.
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JSword needs a small, easy change to support overline. At this time, it will show the text without any decoration. It should be added to our edition of OSIS.
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Hi Troy,
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Not asking about the
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Rendering text with
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Follow-up...
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<br> Just shows that WYSINAWYG ! 🥸
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<p>This is how we record nomen sacrum in TEI and should transfer to OSIS just fine, e.g.,</p>
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On 3/13/25 4:28 PM, Peter von Kaehne wrote:
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I think the best and correct way is to call this ‘display’ and encode the exact look you want to achieve via style sheet.
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It would also require that we devise a means to encode in the OSIS the equivalent to what was used in the underlying Wiki format !
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<span style="line-height:normal">{{overline|ΘΥ}}</span>
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I doubt if the SWORD engine has a means to implement that!
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On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 2:22 PM, David Haslam
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Thanks, Alan, for the explanation.
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This then prompts a suggestion as to the potential use of the OSIS
<b>abbr</b> element for each instance. This would require that each type of
<b><i>nomina sacrum</i></b> would then need to be retained as the abbreviation, and then expanded using the XML attribute, e.g.
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<span style="font-family:Menlo,Consolas,"Courier New",monospace;line-height:normal"><abbr expansion="Θεοῦ"></span>
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Please refer to the
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NB. I don't know whether the SWORD engine has any code to display the expansions!
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<i>The coders might enlighten us on this point. I have therefore cc: to </i>
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On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 1:45 PM, Alan Bunning
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Yes, that symbol is used to mark nomina sacra.
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On 3/13/2025 9:42 AM, Kovács Zoltán wrote:
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I received the following emails. I haven't looked into them very much, but maybe you want to join the conversation.
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Blessings, Zoltan
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<br> NB. If this is a technical means to mark the use of
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<br> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 1:11 PM, pierre amadio
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<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">As far as I know, there is no such greek accent as a circular mark<br> such as Ring Above (U+02DA).<br> Looking at the source text, they seem to always appears next to words such as<br> <a href="https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/main/SR.txt" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/main/SR.txt</a><br> ˚Ἰησοῦ ˚Χριστοῦ,<br> ˚Πνεύματος<br> ˚Κυρίου</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Could it be a way to mark the use of a nomina sacra in manuscripts ?<br> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomina_sacra" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomina_sacra</a></span></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">On Thu, 13 Mar 2025 at 13:38, Kovács Zoltán <a href="mailto:kovzol@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">kovzol@gmail.com</a> wrote:</span></p>
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<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">David Haslam <a href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a> ezt írta (időpont: 2025. márc. 13., Cs, 13:33):</span></p>
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<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Arising from the grapheme count, I have a further technical query.</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">There are 3626 instances of U+02DA RING ABOVE.</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">I am wondering whether these would be better being all replaced by U+030A COMBINING RING ABOVE, and if so, whether the mark should follow the Greek letter rather than precede it.</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">NB. My knowledge of Ancient Greek accents rules is fairly limited.</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Q. What is the most suitable Unicode font for viewing a Greek NT text?<br> Might it be sensible to include such an element in the .conf file?</span></p>
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<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 12:13 PM, David Haslam <a href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a> wrote:</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Hi Kovács,</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Using BabelPad Tools, I have just done a grapheme count on the full Greek text with accents.<br> i.e. After first stripping out the references from the diatheke output. See inside attached 7-Zip file.</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">There are two left/right count mismatches that ought to be looked at.</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">2018 ‘ 483<br> 2019 ’ 484<br> 201C “ 1,904<br> 201D ” 1,907</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">cf. The counts of left/right parentheses were OK.</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">0028 ( 62<br> 0029 ) 62</span></p>
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<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 11:59 AM, David Haslam <a href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a> wrote:</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">This module has the wrong Versification.</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">It's a Greek NT and therefore LXX is simply the wrong choice!</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Please fix this ASAP.</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Dom, Please also fix any bug in your script that led to this mistake!</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Best regards,</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">David</span></p>
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<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">On Wednesday, March 12th, 2025 at 5:52 PM, <a href="mailto:domcox@crosswire.org" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">domcox@crosswire.org</a> <a href="mailto:domcox@crosswire.org" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">domcox@crosswire.org</a> wrote:</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">This is to announce that we have just now uploaded StatResGNT<br> in the CrossWire beta repository for testing purposes.</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">If no raised concern nor a quality alert has been sent on the list,<br> StatResGNT will be published in a week.</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">This is an update.<br> Language=Ancient Greek (to 1453)<br> Version=1.3<br> History_1.3=(2025-03-12) Update to newest release (last database change: 2024-07-16)<br> TextSource=<a href="https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/master/SR.txt" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px" target="_blank">https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/master/SR.txt</a><br> Versification=LXX</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">Many thanks to Kovács_Zoltán for the hard work.</span></p>
<p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:14px">yours</span></p>
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