<html><head></head><body> <div dir="auto"><br><img src="cid:106d2d31-021b-436b-80ed-0686abfbff3a_image.png" draggable="false" src-original-pm-cid="cid:106d2d31-021b-436b-80ed-0686abfbff3a_image.png"><br>Hi Troy,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Above is what I see after I clicked your link! Not sure if that’s what you intended.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">David</div><div><br></div> <div><br></div><div><br></div>On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 23:52, Troy A. Griffitts <<a class="" href="mailto:On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 23:52, Troy A. Griffitts <<a href=">scribe@crosswire.org</a>> wrote:<blockquote type="cite" class="protonmail_quote"> <p>This is how we record nomen sacrum in TEI and should transfer to OSIS just fine, e.g.,</p>
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I think the best and correct way is to call this ‘display’ and encode the exact look you want to achieve via style sheet.
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<span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>From:</b> sword-devel <a href="mailto:sword-devel-bounces@crosswire.org" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"><sword-devel-bounces@crosswire.org></a> on behalf of David Haslam <a href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"><dfhdfh@protonmail.com></a><br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 13, 2025 2:34 pm<br> <b>To:</b> Alan Bunning <a href="mailto:greekcntr@gmail.com" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"><greekcntr@gmail.com></a><br> <b>Cc:</b> sword-devel mailing list <a href="mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"><sword-devel@crosswire.org></a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [sword-devel] Fwd: [modules] New Beta Module: StatResGNT</span>
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It would also require that we devise a means to encode in the OSIS the equivalent to what was used in the underlying Wiki format !
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I doubt if the SWORD engine has a means to implement that!
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Thanks, Alan, for the explanation.
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This then prompts a suggestion as to the potential use of the OSIS
<b>abbr</b> element for each instance. This would require that each type of
<b><i>nomina sacrum</i></b> would then need to be retained as the abbreviation, and then expanded using the XML attribute, e.g.
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Please refer to the
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NB. I don't know whether the SWORD engine has any code to display the expansions!
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<i>The coders might enlighten us on this point. I have therefore cc: to </i>
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On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 1:45 PM, Alan Bunning
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Yes, that symbol is used to mark nomina sacra.
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I received the following emails. I haven't looked into them very much, but maybe you want to join the conversation.
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<br> NB. If this is a technical means to mark the use of
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<br> On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 1:11 PM, pierre amadio
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<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">As far as I know, there is no such greek accent as a circular mark<br> such as Ring Above (U+02DA).<br> Looking at the source text, they seem to always appears next to words such as<br> <a style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/main/SR.txt">https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/main/SR.txt</a><br> ˚Ἰησοῦ ˚Χριστοῦ,<br> ˚Πνεύματος<br> ˚Κυρίου</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Could it be a way to mark the use of a nomina sacra in manuscripts ?<br> <a style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomina_sacra">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomina_sacra</a></span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">On Thu, 13 Mar 2025 at 13:38, Kovács Zoltán <a style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:kovzol@gmail.com">kovzol@gmail.com</a> wrote:</span></p>
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<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">David Haslam <a style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a> ezt írta (időpont: 2025. márc. 13., Cs, 13:33):</span></p>
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<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Arising from the grapheme count, I have a further technical query.</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">There are 3626 instances of U+02DA RING ABOVE.</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">I am wondering whether these would be better being all replaced by U+030A COMBINING RING ABOVE, and if so, whether the mark should follow the Greek letter rather than precede it.</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">NB. My knowledge of Ancient Greek accents rules is fairly limited.</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Q. What is the most suitable Unicode font for viewing a Greek NT text?<br> Might it be sensible to include such an element in the .conf file?</span></p>
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<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 12:13 PM, David Haslam <a style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a> wrote:</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Hi Kovács,</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Using BabelPad Tools, I have just done a grapheme count on the full Greek text with accents.<br> i.e. After first stripping out the references from the diatheke output. See inside attached 7-Zip file.</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">There are two left/right count mismatches that ought to be looked at.</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">2018 ‘ 483<br> 2019 ’ 484<br> 201C “ 1,904<br> 201D ” 1,907</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">cf. The counts of left/right parentheses were OK.</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">0028 ( 62<br> 0029 ) 62</span></p>
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<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 11:59 AM, David Haslam <a style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a> wrote:</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">This module has the wrong Versification.</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">It's a Greek NT and therefore LXX is simply the wrong choice!</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Please fix this ASAP.</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Dom, Please also fix any bug in your script that led to this mistake!</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Best regards,</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">David</span></p>
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<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">On Wednesday, March 12th, 2025 at 5:52 PM, <a style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:domcox@crosswire.org">domcox@crosswire.org</a> <a style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:domcox@crosswire.org">domcox@crosswire.org</a> wrote:</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">This is to announce that we have just now uploaded StatResGNT<br> in the CrossWire beta repository for testing purposes.</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">If no raised concern nor a quality alert has been sent on the list,<br> StatResGNT will be published in a week.</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">This is an update.<br> Language=Ancient Greek (to 1453)<br> Version=1.3<br> History_1.3=(2025-03-12) Update to newest release (last database change: 2024-07-16)<br> TextSource=<a style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/master/SR.txt">https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/master/SR.txt</a><br> Versification=LXX</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Many thanks to Kovács_Zoltán for the hard work.</span></p>
<p class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">yours</span></p>
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