<html><body><div dir="ltr">I think the best and correct way is to call this ‘display’ and encode the exact look you want to achieve via style sheet. </div><div id="ms-outlook-mobile-body-separator-line" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="ms-outlook-mobile-signature">Sent from <a href="https://aka.ms/o0ukef">Outlook for iOS</a></div><div> </div><hr style="display: inline-block; width: 98%;"><div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><b>From:</b> sword-devel <sword-devel-bounces@crosswire.org> on behalf of David Haslam <dfhdfh@protonmail.com><br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 13, 2025 2:34 pm<br><b>To:</b> Alan Bunning <greekcntr@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> sword-devel mailing list <sword-devel@crosswire.org><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [sword-devel] Fwd: [modules] New Beta Module: StatResGNT</span><div style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"> </div></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">It would also require that we devise a means to encode in the OSIS the equivalent to what was used in the underlying Wiki format !</div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, "Courier New", monospace; font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="line-height: normal;">{{overline|ΘΥ}}</span></div><div dir="ltr" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">I doubt if the SWORD engine has a means to implement that!</div><div dir="ltr" class="protonmail_signature_block-user" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">
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On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 2:22 PM, David Haslam <dfhdfh@protonmail.com> wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote><div class="protonmail_quote" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Thanks, Alan, for the explanation.</div><div dir="ltr" class="protonmail_quote" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div class="protonmail_quote" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">This then prompts a suggestion as to the potential use of the OSIS <b>abbr</b> element for each instance. This would require that each type of <b><i>nomina sacrum</i></b> would then need to be retained as the abbreviation, and then expanded using the XML attribute, e.g.</div><div dir="ltr" class="protonmail_quote" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div class="protonmail_quote" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13.5pt;"><span style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, "Courier New", monospace; line-height: normal;"><abbr expansion="Θεοῦ"></span><span style="font-family: sans-serif; color: rgb(32, 33, 34); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); line-height: normal;">ΘΥ</span><span style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, "Courier New", monospace; line-height: normal;"></abbr></span></div><div dir="ltr" class="protonmail_quote" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div class="protonmail_quote" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Please refer to the <b>OSIS User Manual</b> section 13.2 <br><br></div><div class="protonmail_quote" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">NB. I don't know whether the SWORD engine has any code to display the expansions!</div><div class="protonmail_quote" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><i>The coders might enlighten us on this point. I have therefore cc: to </i><b><i>sword-devel</i></b><i> in this reply.<br></i><br><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">
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On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 1:45 PM, Alan Bunning <greekcntr@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
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Yes, that symbol is used to mark nomina sacra.<br>
<br>
</div><div class="moz-signature"><i>Alan Bunning, D.Litt.<br>
Executive Director<br>
Center for New Testament Restoration<br>
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</div><div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/13/2025 9:42 AM, Kovács Zoltán
wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote><div dir="ltr" class="protonmail_quote">Dear Alan,
</div><div dir="ltr" class="protonmail_quote">I received the following emails. I haven't looked into them
very much, but maybe you want to join the conversation.</div><div dir="ltr" class="protonmail_quote">Blessings, Zoltan<br>
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Feladó: <b>David
Haslam</b> <<a href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a>><br>
Date: 2025. márc. 13., Cs, 14:37<br>
Subject: Re: [modules] New Beta Module: StatResGNT<br>
To: pierre amadio <<a href="mailto:amadio.pierre@gmail.com" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener">amadio.pierre@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: Kovács Zoltán <<a href="mailto:kovzol@gmail.com" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener">kovzol@gmail.com</a>>,
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</div><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Hi Pierre,<br>
<br>
That's a very plausible explanation!<br>
<br>
Here are the relevant lines from my <b>word count</b>.</span></p><blockquote style="padding-left: 10px; border-left-width: 3px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(200, 200, 200);"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">Word Count
</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Θεέ 2</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Θεοῦ 690</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Θεόν 73</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Θεός 68</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Θεὸν 72</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Θεὸς 239</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Θεῷ 158</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Κυρίου 231</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Κυρίῳ 95</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Κύριε 89</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Κύριον 63</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Κύριος 139</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Κύριόν 1</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Κύριός 10</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Πνεύματι 59</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Πνεύματος 79</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Πνεύματός 5</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Πνεῦμά 7</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Πνεῦμα 99</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Χριστέ 1</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Χριστοῦ 252</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Χριστόν 18</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Χριστός 41</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Χριστὸν 48</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Χριστὸς 71</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Χριστῷ 104</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚θεὸς 1</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Ἰησοῦ 329</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Ἰησοῦν 126</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; color: rgb(102, 102, 102);">˚Ἰησοῦς 456</div></blockquote><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br>
NB. If this is a technical means to mark the use of <b><i>nomina
sacra</i></b>, then it ought to be described in the
conf file!<br>
</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Best regards,<br>
<br>
David</div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br>
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On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 1:11 PM, pierre amadio <a href="mailto:amadio.pierre@gmail.com" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener">amadio.pierre@gmail.com</a>
wrote:
</div><blockquote><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Hi there.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">As far as I know, there is no such greek accent as a
circular mark<br>
such as Ring Above (U+02DA).<br>
Looking at the source text, they seem to always
appears next to words such as<br>
<a href="https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/main/SR.txt" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/main/SR.txt</a><br>
˚Ἰησοῦ ˚Χριστοῦ,<br>
˚Πνεύματος<br>
˚Κυρίου</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Could it be a way to mark the use of a nomina sacra
in manuscripts ?<br>
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomina_sacra" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomina_sacra</a></span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">On Thu, 13 Mar 2025 at 13:38, Kovács Zoltán <a href="mailto:kovzol@gmail.com" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">kovzol@gmail.com</a>
wrote:</span></p><blockquote><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Thanks, David, I will look into it and get back to
you.<br>
Best, Zoltan</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">David Haslam <a href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a>
ezt írta (időpont: 2025. márc. 13., Cs, 13:33):</span></p><blockquote><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Arising from the grapheme count, I have a further
technical query.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">There are 3626 instances of U+02DA RING ABOVE.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">I am wondering whether these would be better
being all replaced by U+030A COMBINING RING ABOVE,
and if so, whether the mark should follow the
Greek letter rather than precede it.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">NB. My knowledge of Ancient Greek accents rules
is fairly limited.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Q. What is the most suitable Unicode font for
viewing a Greek NT text?<br>
Might it be sensible to include such an element in
the .conf file?</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Best regards,</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">David</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Sent with Proton Mail secure email.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 12:13 PM, David
Haslam <a href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a>
wrote:</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Hi Kovács,</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Using BabelPad Tools, I have just done a grapheme
count on the full Greek text with accents.<br>
i.e. After first stripping out the references from
the diatheke output. See inside attached 7-Zip
file.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">There are two left/right count mismatches that
ought to be looked at.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">2018 ‘ 483<br>
2019 ’ 484<br>
201C “ 1,904<br>
201D ” 1,907</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">cf. The counts of left/right parentheses were OK.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">0028 ( 62<br>
0029 ) 62</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Best regards,</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">David</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Sent with Proton Mail secure email.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 11:59 AM, David
Haslam <a href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a>
wrote:</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">This module has the wrong Versification.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">It's a Greek NT and therefore LXX is simply the
wrong choice!</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Please fix this ASAP.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Dom, Please also fix any bug in your script that
led to this mistake!</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Best regards,</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">David</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Sent with Proton Mail secure email.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">On Wednesday, March 12th, 2025 at 5:52 PM, <a href="mailto:domcox@crosswire.org" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">domcox@crosswire.org</a>
<a href="mailto:domcox@crosswire.org" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">domcox@crosswire.org</a>
wrote:</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">This is to announce that we have just now
uploaded StatResGNT<br>
in the CrossWire beta repository for testing
purposes.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">If no raised concern nor a quality alert has been
sent on the list,<br>
StatResGNT will be published in a week.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">This is an update.<br>
Language=Ancient Greek (to 1453)<br>
Version=1.3<br>
History_1.3=(2025-03-12) Update to newest release
(last database change: 2024-07-16)<br>
TextSource=<a href="https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/master/SR.txt" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;">https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/master/SR.txt</a><br>
Versification=LXX</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Many thanks to Kovács_Zoltán for the hard work.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">yours</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">P.S.: This email is sent automatically.</span></p><p dir="ltr" class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">_______________________________________________<br>
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