<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Preserving the RING ABOVE symbol might be made compatible with a front-end display option by making use of the OSIS <b>note</b> element.</div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><span style="font-size: 15pt; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo, Consolas, "Courier New", monospace;"><note </span><span style="font-size: 15pt; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo, Consolas, "Courier New", monospace;">type="x-nomen-sacrum""><span style="display: inline !important; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">˚</span></span><span style="font-size: 15pt; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo, Consolas, "Courier New", monospace;"></span><span style="font-size: 15pt; line-height: normal; font-family: Menlo, Consolas, "Courier New", monospace;"></note><span style="display: inline !important; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Θεοῦ</span></span></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br></div><div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><span style="scrollbar-width:thin"><span style="scrollbar-width:thin">Note markers can also be preserved by using the<span> </span><b style="scrollbar-width:thin">n</b><span> </span>attribute on the<span> </span><b style="scrollbar-width:thin">note</b><span> </span>element but that is not recommended. (<span style="scrollbar-width:thin">From the<span> </span><b style="scrollbar-width:thin">OSIS User Manual</b><span> </span>section <span style="scrollbar-width:thin"><b style="scrollbar-width:thin">8.5.3. Note Markers</b></span> )</span></span></span><br><span style="scrollbar-width:thin"></span><br></div>
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<div class="protonmail_signature_block-user"><span style="scrollbar-width:thin"><span style="scrollbar-width:thin;font-size:15pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo, Consolas, "Courier New", monospace"><note<span> </span><span style="scrollbar-width: thin; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">n="</span><span style="scrollbar-width: thin; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">˚</span><span style="scrollbar-width: thin; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">"<span style="scrollbar-width:thin"> </span></span></span><span style="scrollbar-width:thin;font-size:15pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo, Consolas, "Courier New", monospace">type="x-nomen-sacrum""><span style="scrollbar-width: thin; display: inline !important; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 13.3px; text-decoration: overline; display: inline !important; color: rgb(32, 33, 34); background-color: rgb(248, 249, 250);">ΘΥ</span></span></span><span style="scrollbar-width:thin;font-size:15pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo, Consolas, "Courier New", monospace"></span><span style="scrollbar-width:thin;font-size:15pt;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo, Consolas, "Courier New", monospace"></note><span style="scrollbar-width: thin; display: inline !important; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Θεοῦ</span></span></span><br><span style="scrollbar-width:thin"></span><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user"><br></div><div class="protonmail_signature_block-user">
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On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 2:34 PM, Alan Bunning <greekcntr@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
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The intent was to show the full word and only indicate that it was
originally shown in nomina sacra. Thus, if there is a way, it would
be better to show the whole word and merely note that it was nomina
sacra in some attribute. There are are sometimes more than one form
of nomina sacra abbreviation for a given word, thus the <span>˚</span>
symbol is merely indicating it was abbreviated with out indicating a
particular form of nomina sacra. If that can't be done elegantly,
then I would suggest simply stripping out the <span>˚</span>
symbol entirely and just show the full word.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/13/2025 10:22 AM, David Haslam
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">Thanks,
Alan, for the explanation.</div>
<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">This
then prompts a suggestion as to the potential use of the OSIS <b>abbr</b>
element for each instance. This would require that each type of
<b><i>nomina sacrum</i></b> would then need to be retained as
the abbreviation, and then expanded using the XML attribute,
e.g.</div>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><span style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, "Courier New", monospace; font-size: 13.5pt; line-height: normal;"><abbr
expansion="</span><span style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, "Courier New", monospace;"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; line-height: normal;">Θεοῦ</span></span><span style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, "Courier New", monospace; font-size: 13.5pt; line-height: normal;">"></span><span style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, "Courier New", monospace;"><span style="font-family: sans-serif; text-decoration: overline; display: inline !important; font-size: 13.5pt; line-height: normal; color: rgb(32, 33, 34); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">ΘΥ</span></span><span style="font-family: Menlo, Consolas, "Courier New", monospace; font-size: 13.5pt; line-height: normal;"></abbr></span><br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><span style="scrollbar-width:thin">Please refer to the <b style="scrollbar-width:thin">OSIS User Manual</b><span> </span>section
13.2 </span><br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">NB.
I don't know whether the SWORD engine has any code to display
the expansions!</div>
<div style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"><i>The
coders might enlighten us on this point. I have therefore cc:
to <b>sword-devel</b> in this reply.<br>
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1:45 PM, Alan Bunning <a href="mailto:greekcntr@gmail.com" class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"><greekcntr@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite" class="protonmail_quote"> Yes, that
symbol is used to mark nomina sacra.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/13/2025 9:42 AM, Kovács
Zoltán wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Alan,
<div>I received the following emails. I haven't looked
into them very much, but maybe you want to join the
conversation.</div>
<div>Blessings, Zoltan<br>
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Feladó: <strong class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">David
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Date: 2025. márc. 13., Cs, 14:37<br>
Subject: Re: [modules] New Beta Module: StatResGNT<br>
To: pierre amadio <<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:amadio.pierre@gmail.com" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">amadio.pierre@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: Kovács Zoltán <<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:kovzol@gmail.com" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">kovzol@gmail.com</a>>,
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<p>Hi Pierre,<br>
<br>
That's a very plausible explanation!<br>
<br>
Here are the relevant lines from my <b>word count</b>.</p>
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<div><span>Word Count</span>
<div><span>˚Θεέ 2</span></div>
<div><span>˚Θεοῦ 690</span></div>
<div><span>˚Θεόν 73</span></div>
<div><span>˚Θεός 68</span></div>
<div><span>˚Θεὸν 72</span></div>
<div><span>˚Θεὸς 239</span></div>
<div><span>˚Θεῷ 158</span></div>
<div><span>˚Κυρίου 231</span></div>
<div><span>˚Κυρίῳ 95</span></div>
<div><span>˚Κύριε 89</span></div>
<div><span>˚Κύριον 63</span></div>
<div><span>˚Κύριος 139</span></div>
<div><span>˚Κύριόν 1</span></div>
<div><span>˚Κύριός 10</span></div>
<div><span>˚Πνεύματι 59</span></div>
<div><span>˚Πνεύματος 79</span></div>
<div><span>˚Πνεύματός 5</span></div>
<div><span>˚Πνεῦμά 7</span></div>
<div><span>˚Πνεῦμα 99</span></div>
<div><span>˚Χριστέ 1</span></div>
<div><span>˚Χριστοῦ 252</span></div>
<div><span>˚Χριστόν 18</span></div>
<div><span>˚Χριστός 41</span></div>
<div><span>˚Χριστὸν 48</span></div>
<div><span>˚Χριστὸς 71</span></div>
<div><span>˚Χριστῷ 104</span></div>
<div><span>˚θεὸς 1</span></div>
<div><span>˚Ἰησοῦ 329</span></div>
<div><span>˚Ἰησοῦν 126</span></div>
<div><span>˚Ἰησοῦς 456</span></div>
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NB. If this is a technical means to mark the use of
<b><i>nomina sacra</i></b>, then it ought to be
described in the conf file!<br>
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<br>
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On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 1:11 PM, pierre
amadio <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:amadio.pierre@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">amadio.pierre@gmail.com</a>
wrote:
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<p>Hi there.</p>
<p>As far as I know, there is no such greek accent
as a circular mark<br>
such as Ring Above (U+02DA).<br>
Looking at the source text, they seem to always
appears next to words such as<br>
<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/main/SR.txt" target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/main/SR.txt</a><br>
˚Ἰησοῦ ˚Χριστοῦ,<br>
˚Πνεύματος<br>
˚Κυρίου</p>
<p>Could it be a way to mark the use of a nomina
sacra in manuscripts ?<br>
<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomina_sacra" target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomina_sacra</a></p>
<p>On Thu, 13 Mar 2025 at 13:38, Kovács Zoltán <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:kovzol@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">kovzol@gmail.com</a>
wrote:</p>
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<p>Thanks, David, I will look into it and get
back to you.<br>
Best, Zoltan</p>
<p>David Haslam <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a>
ezt írta (időpont: 2025. márc. 13., Cs,
13:33):</p>
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<p>Arising from the grapheme count, I have a
further technical query.</p>
<p>There are 3626 instances of U+02DA RING
ABOVE.</p>
<p>I am wondering whether these would be
better being all replaced by U+030A
COMBINING RING ABOVE, and if so, whether the
mark should follow the Greek letter rather
than precede it.</p>
<p>NB. My knowledge of Ancient Greek accents
rules is fairly limited.</p>
<p>Q. What is the most suitable Unicode font
for viewing a Greek NT text?<br>
Might it be sensible to include such an
element in the .conf file?</p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
<p>David</p>
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<p>On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 12:13 PM,
David Haslam <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a>
wrote:</p>
<p>Hi Kovács,</p>
<p>Using BabelPad Tools, I have just done a
grapheme count on the full Greek text with
accents.<br>
i.e. After first stripping out the
references from the diatheke output. See
inside attached 7-Zip file.</p>
<p>There are two left/right count mismatches
that ought to be looked at.</p>
<p>2018 ‘ 483<br>
2019 ’ 484<br>
201C “ 1,904<br>
201D ” 1,907</p>
<p>cf. The counts of left/right parentheses
were OK.</p>
<p>0028 ( 62<br>
0029 ) 62</p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
<p>David</p>
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<p>On Thursday, March 13th, 2025 at 11:59 AM,
David Haslam <a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a>
wrote:</p>
<p>This module has the wrong Versification.</p>
<p>It's a Greek NT and therefore LXX is simply
the wrong choice!</p>
<p>Please fix this ASAP.</p>
<p>Dom, Please also fix any bug in your script
that led to this mistake!</p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
<p>David</p>
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<p>On Wednesday, March 12th, 2025 at 5:52 PM,
<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:domcox@crosswire.org" target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">domcox@crosswire.org</a>
<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="mailto:domcox@crosswire.org" target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">domcox@crosswire.org</a>
wrote:</p>
<p>This is to announce that we have just now
uploaded StatResGNT<br>
in the CrossWire beta repository for testing
purposes.</p>
<p>If no raised concern nor a quality alert
has been sent on the list,<br>
StatResGNT will be published in a week.</p>
<p>This is an update.<br>
Language=Ancient Greek (to 1453)<br>
Version=1.3<br>
History_1.3=(2025-03-12) Update to newest
release (last database change: 2024-07-16)<br>
TextSource=<a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/master/SR.txt" target="_blank" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/Center-for-New-Testament-Restoration/SR/blob/master/SR.txt</a><br>
Versification=LXX</p>
<p>Many thanks to Kovács_Zoltán for the hard
work.</p>
<p>yours</p>
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