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Thank you, DM, for these indications. I'm glad to discover that
you're working on it, even if it's a bit behind the scenes.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 02/03/2025 à 18:32, DM Smith a
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BTW: By reconcile with JSword, I mean that JSword needs to be
changed.
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<div>On Mar 2, 2025, at 9:51 AM, DM Smith
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dmsmith@crosswire.org"><dmsmith@crosswire.org></a> wrote:</div>
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items:
<div>- Mapping versifications currently uses the KJV as
an intermediate to map between v11ns. The intermediate
should be a superset of all v11ns in terms of books,
chapters and verse numbers. Troy has identified this
and has a new intermediate in use in the SWORD Java
code. This needs to be reconciled with the same notion
and mechanism as in JSword. JSword’s implementation
was done under the guidance of David-Instone Brewer as
part of STEP Bible. As long as it remains a superset,
it is allowed to be changed.</div>
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<div>- Since modules are created at a fixed point in
time, the v11n that it uses from within the SWORD
library needs to be immutable. It needs versioning
(e.g. Catholic Catholic2) to allow for changes. This
is true now. </div>
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<div>- There are many more v11n than SWORD has defined.
A dynamic mechanism is needed to read a v11n from file
that is shipped with the module. Troy in defining the
new intermediate and having it work in the SWORD Java
code has done this. It needs to be ported to SWORD
C++. STEP Bible has independently started this with
the JSword library, using JSON rather than the XML
that Troy has used. These two implementations need to
use the same file input format or have a conversion
utility to convert from the one to the other.</div>
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<div>- Osis2mod needs to accept a -V flag to specify a
v11n file so that it can build a module with an
external v11n. STEP Bible has a bespoke version of
osis2mod that uses the JSON file for input. This needs
to be reworked to use the format that Troy has
defined.</div>
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<div>- SWORD C++ needs minor modifications to support
the reading of the format that Troy has defined so
that osis2mod and delivered modules can workk. STEP
Bible has as part of their bespoke osis2mod done that
for JSON, but not for modules. The format needs to
change to Troy’s and reading from a module needs to be
done.</div>
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<div>- module.conf needs to change to give a path to the
v11n file.</div>
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<div>- Arnaud, Michael, STEP Bible and others have
wanted for out of order verse numbers, multiple verse
numbers, … so that SWORD modules can match what is
published. Basically decoupling presentation from
implementation. Ideas have been presented. Arnaud’s
idea is to have a presentation layer specified in
addition to the current module. This would require
changes to the usual suspects: SWORD lib, osis2mod,
JSword. Since it would be additional module files and
no changes to existing ones, it wouldn’t require
frontends to be updated to use modules that use it.
They would continue as is today, not matching the
publication.</div>
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<div>In Him,</div>
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<div>On Mar 2, 2025, at 8:44 AM, David Haslam
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<div dir="auto">Forwarding to sword-devel to
elicit potential responses from the <span
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On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 09:30, David Haslam
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<div
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"> Who can
explain why the SWORD <a
title="versification"
href="https://wiki.crosswire.org/Alternate_Versification"
moz-do-not-send="true">versification</a>
<b>LXX</b> includes <b>I Enoch</b> ? <br>
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style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">
<ul
style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
data-editing-info="{"orderedStyleType":1,"unorderedStyleType":1}">
<li style="list-style-type: disc;"><span>It's
not even mentioned as part of the
LXX in the <a
title="Wikipedia article"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint" moz-do-not-send="true">Wikipedia
article</a>!<br>
</span></li>
<li
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; list-style-type: disc;">The
<a title="Book of Enoch"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Enoch"
moz-do-not-send="true">Book of Enoch</a>
is part of the <b>Ethiopian</b>
canon.<br>
</li>
</ul>
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<div
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"> <br>
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<div
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"> Admittedly,
the <a title="Lexham English Septuagint"
href="https://lexhampress.com/product/188040/the-lexham-english-septuagint-2nd-ed"
moz-do-not-send="true">Lexham English
Septuagint</a> does list <b>I Enoch</b>
as one of the books.
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style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">
<ul
style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
data-editing-info="{"orderedStyleType":1,"unorderedStyleType":1}">
<li style="list-style-type: disc;">Does
anyone have further details?</li>
</ul>
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<div
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"> <br>
Could it be a mistake that <b
style="scrollbar-width: thin; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">I
Enoch</b> was ever included in <b>LXX</b>
from SWORD <b style="">1.7.2</b> onwards?
</div>
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style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">
<ul
style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
data-editing-info="{"orderedStyleType":1,"unorderedStyleType":1}">
<li style="list-style-type: disc;">If
the answer is "yes", then please can
this be rectified asap.</li>
<li
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; list-style-type: disc;">It
seems an unwanted burden to have an
large empty book in the various LXX
modules that we host & support.</li>
<li
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; list-style-type: disc;">Then,
once that's done, all the LXX modules
built using <b>Versification=LXX</b>
would need to be rebuilt and updated
by <b>CrossWire</b>, as well as by <b>eBible.org</b>
and <b>STEP Bible</b>.</li>
</ul>
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<div
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;"> <br>
NB. As yet, there's no versification for
the <b
style="scrollbar-width: thin; text-align: left; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">Ethiopian</b>
<span
style="text-align: left; display: inline !important; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><span> </span>canon. <br>
</span>
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<div
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<ul
style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"
data-editing-info="{"orderedStyleType":1,"unorderedStyleType":1}">
<li style="list-style-type: disc;">As
and when we are sent (or made aware
of) a <b>TextSource</b> for such a
Bible, it might be better to develop a
proper versification called <b>Ethiopian</b>
to cater for this requirement.</li>
<li
style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; list-style-type: disc;">Then,
for any subsequent Bible module that
might include the <b>Book of Enoch</b>,
it would have it's needed support.<br>
</li>
</ul>
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