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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 23/01/2025 à 19:07, Arnaud Vié a
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<div>Cyrille, I think what you are talking about are the
versification mappings.<br>
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<div>I'm familiar only with the JSword implementation, which
is there : <a
href="https://github.com/AndBible/jsword/blob/develop/src/main/java/org/crosswire/jsword/versification/VersificationsMapper.java"
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<div>It relies on mapping files describing how verses map from
one versification to KJV (or to KJVA, since my contribution
on the andbible fork), such as this one : <a
href="https://github.com/AndBible/jsword/blob/develop/src/main/resources/org/crosswire/jsword/versification/Catholic2.properties"
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<div>Any application can instantiate the VersificationsMapper
to convert references from any versification system to any
other (using KJVA as pivot).</div>
<div>AndBible does, for example - and therefore can today
seamlessly align two screens displaying two bibles using
completely different versifications.<br>
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<div>This feature exists as well in the C++ libsword (I see some
related code in versificationmgr.cpp ), though I can't help
much on that part. Someone else may help explain how the C++
API for this works.<br>
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Exactly! It's what I'm speaking about! But I don't find it in the
source of sword, if someone can help me?<br>
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<div>So I fully agree with Cyrille : I don't think
preserving bibles in a "wrong" versification is a good
idea, given that we have a powerful versification mapping
feature that negates this need.</div>
<div>The better way to go is to make sure this versification
mapping feature is easy to implement and well documented,
for applications to use it with minimal effort.</div>
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<div>(As a side note, I proposed early last year a set of
principles to design a modular versification system,
precisely to improve the accuracy of these versification
mappings while reducing the burden of maintaining dozens
of versifications, which is still waiting for feedback.<br>
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<div>cf. <a
href="http://crosswire.org/pipermail/sword-devel/2024-February/049957.html"
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I'm really disappointed that no one in charge of the project reacted
to this incredible proposal!<br>
Please respond! At least let Arnaud propose a patch, so you can test
and validate or not...<br>
That's the tragedy of this list, there are often questions that
remain unanswered, which prevents us from moving forward.<br>
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<div>Cheers,</div>
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<div>Arnaud</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le jeu. 23 janv. 2025 à 18:14,
Fr Cyrille <<a href="mailto:fr.cyrille@tiberiade.be"
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<div> It seems to me that there is a tool or file that allows
you to have the equivalent verses of all Bibles with the kjv
when displayed in parallel. (someone can help me?).<br>
Personally, I'm not too keen on creating a module that uses
kjv versification for the LXX. Because it doesn't correspond
to any paper version.<br>
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<div>Le 23/01/2025 à 16:57, Kovács Zoltán a écrit :<br>
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<div>Dear Team,</div>
<div>I restart this thread to ask a related question.</div>
<div>For more than 2 years I have been using LXX
version 2.5 in my Sword based application to have
the old text available for research. But now I would
like to try the new version 3.0 as well, to be
available at the same time.</div>
<div>Question: Would it be possible to make LXX
version 2.5 available under a different module name
(e.g. LXX25) on Crosswire's module server, to allow
using both without any difficulty? Maybe this would
be beneficial for other users than me. If not, I can
of course do some hacking in my application and
rename LXX version 2.5 to LXX25 internally, and then
download 3.0 as the new official LXX.</div>
<div>Thanks and blessings, Zoltan</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Kovács Zoltán <<a
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ezt írta (időpont: 2022. szept. 1., Cs, 18:46):<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Fr Cyrille <<a
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ezt írta (időpont: 2022. szept. 1., Cs,
12:27):<br>
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<div>Le 01/09/2022 à 12:19, Kovács Zoltán
a écrit :<br>
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<div>It seems some verse numberings
are different.</div>
<div>E.g., version 2.5: Psalms 18:47 =
version 3.0: Psalms 17:48</div>
<div>For me, such changes break
several parts of the database.</div>
<div>Is there a list of such
modifications available?</div>
<div>Thanks, Zoltan</div>
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The new module use the new versification,
LXX. You can see the new v11n in the
sword's sources.<br>
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<div>Thanks for the information! I understand
that 2.5 uses KJV (as default), so I have
all entries in KJV v11n in my database.</div>
<div>Is there a simple way to convert a KJV
verse notation into LXX v11n? I learned that
using VerseKey is a possible way,</div>
<div>but I just want to keep my working method
via<br>
SWModule *module = (SWMgr)
library.getModule("LXX")</div>
<div>and force using KJV v11n also if 3.0 is
used.</div>
<div>Thanks for advising me further.</div>
<div>Best, Zoltan</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB">Dr.
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Erdős's mysterious remark</span><span
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(9 December, 2024).</span></font></li>
<li><font color="#666666"><span
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Reinhard Oldenburg. “A Technological
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Propositional and Predicate Logic”. In:
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Satisfiability </span><span
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