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<p>Hi Tobias and others with Android SWORD apps.</p>
<p>I am trying to bundle up a new version of Bishop for Android with
the some exciting improvements in the libsword (I'll post another
email about those, Lord willing, soon), and I would like to check
on the latest status for a shared sword path for us.</p>
<p>I have tried again to read about the current ways for apps to
share data and am still unclear what is allowed, without
performing experiments.</p>
<p>Tobias, where did you end up with your data path? I'll do some
investigations with the latest versions of Android images
available from Google and see where the current logic in Bishop
creates data files and report back.</p>
<p>Hope you are all having a wonderful weekend!</p>
<p>Glory to God for salvation in Jesus! And thanks to Him for life
and a warm bed and a roof over our heads and relative peace. Many
don't have those things.</p>
<p>Troy</p>
<p><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/4/21 13:10, Troy A. Griffitts
wrote:<br>
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Hi Tobias,<br>
So, I did a bunch of reading when choosing this location and
couldn't find anything that specifically listed which folders
where standard "top level" folders under /sdcard, only that the
changes to the API in newer versions of Android prevented creation
of top level folders under /sdcard. This article suggested to use
'Music':<br>
<br>
<a
href="https://www.reddit.com/r/androiddev/comments/jn5azi/android_11_dodges_a_bullet_apps_creating_a_folder/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=post_body"
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I didn't think Music was appropriate for us, but Iooked on my
developer images from Google on the latest version of Android and
a few versions back (I only need to go back as far as until
Android still lets me store to /sdcard/sword, because I try that
next if /sdcard/Documents/sword fails), and on my physical phone,
and they all had /sdcard/Documents/ available.<br>
<br>
I am open to better suggestions.<br>
<br>
Again, to sum up where I understand things now:<br>
<br>
Android, pre-10 lets us store to /sdcard/sword<br>
<br>
Android 10 was kind of a mess and wanted everyone to use the new
storage api instead of file paths but still allowed /sdcard/sword<br>
<br>
Android 11 and later, Google recanted because of pressure from the
community and settled on: file path are officially blessed again,
but no top level folders created by apps under /sdcard, so we need
to choose a folder.<br>
<br>
/sdcard/Documents/sword seemed to exist on all versions of Android
I checked, later than the versions which still supported /SD
card/sword, so I settled with the logic:<br>
<br>
Try in this order to test write access to:<br>
<br>
/sdcard/Documents/sword<br>
/sdcard/sword<br>
[private unshared app storage]/sword<br>
<br>
That's my best attempt. If you have a better suggestion, I am all
ears.<br>
<br>
Troy<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On October 3, 2021 10:56:34 AM MST,
Tobias Klein <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:contact@tklein.info"><contact@tklein.info></a> wrote:
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<p>Hi Troy,</p>
<p>I can certainly consider /sdcard/Documents as a new base
also for Ezra (haven't tried it yet).</p>
<p>I just did a quick search and I didn't find any official
Android documentation on that particular filesystem path. Is
there something you can point me to?</p>
<p>Best regards,<br>
Tobias<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/13/21 12:38 PM, Troy A.
Griffitts wrote:<br>
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<p>Thanks Michael, yes, I also feel we need to not swim
against the Google flow. The problem is that the Google
flow seems to turn at each new release of Android. Be
assured, my goal is to find a common means for us to share
a single install of SWORD modules and to do it the way
Google wants and for as many versions of Android as
practical.</p>
<p>Tobias,</p>
<p>I've had no trouble writing to /sdcard/... from our C++
code, as long as I don't write to the root of /sdcard/.
My change from /sdcard/sword to /sdcard/Documents/sword/
works fine on Android 11.</p>
<p>Can you give /sdcard/Documents/sword/ a try? You can
grab my exact C++ code from the cordova plugin if you have
trouble.</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://crosswire.org/svn/sword/trunk/bindings/java-jni/jni/swordstub.cpp"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://crosswire.org/svn/sword/trunk/bindings/java-jni/jni/swordstub.cpp</a></p>
<p>static void init(JNIEnv *env);<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/13/21 10:32 AM, Tobias
Klein wrote:<br>
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<p>Dear Troy,</p>
<p>We should certainly align on the directories and keep
it simple.</p>
<p>However, starting from Android 11 Google makes it
really hard for us due to the "Scoped Storage" concept,
see <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://developer.android.com/about/versions/11/privacy/storage"
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<p>I couldn't figure out a way to write to /sdcard any
more in my C++ context on Android 11.</p>
<p>As a consequence at the moment I am not using /sdcard
from Android 11 anymore, but only the private app
folder.</p>
<p>For Android < 11 I am using <b>/sdcard/sword</b>,
but for Android >= 11 I have completely disabled this
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<p>I wonder whether there is still any way to still use
/sdcard/* in Android >= 11 in the C++ context ... I
haven't found a solution yet and it seems rather
complicated.<br>
</p>
<p>Best regards,<br>
Tobias<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 9/12/21 3:51 PM, Troy A.
Griffitts wrote:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Dear all,
I've been updating Bishop to work on newer versions of Android and have
found that we are running into problems trying to create the
"Nonstandard top-level folder" 'sword' at the root of the common storage
folder.
Tobias, I know a while back you mentioned that you had to update Ezra
for Android recently, but it has been a long while since we talked about
it and I'd like to know if you've had any updated thoughts on what
you're doing there.
Any other mobile Android devs have any thoughts.
For now, I have updated our cordova plugin (and thus Bishop) to check
and if possible use paths in this preferred order:
"/sdcard/Documents/sword"
"/sdcard/sword"
((android.app.Application)
app).getApplicationContext().getFilesDir().getAbsolutePath();
And we are augmenting modules from AndBible:
"/sdcard/Android/data/net.bible.android.activity/files"
... but I'd prefer not to do this any longer, once we all agree and
implement storing files in a common location.
Any thoughts?
Troy
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