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I'm very excited to have this module!<br>
I agree with you that the module should have as much information as
possible. But not all of it can be read by the Sword interface. Some
may not be useful. <br>
I've also had trouble with the "lemma:Mygreekword" code, in xiphos
it's not well displayed. If we want it well displayed we need to add
a module reference, like TR or Nestle (see KJV):
"lemma.Nestle:Mygreekword"<br>
You can also look at the LXX module, which has quite a lot of
information in its code.<br>
The number is useful for displaying strong numbers in order (if I
remember correctly) in Bishop (Android).<br>
Finally, if you think it's possible, I'd make an usfm file first,
because it's much easier to read and correct than an osis.<br>
Have you also seen Karl's script for building the module, in the
BSB-draft module folder?<br>
<br>
Finally, if there's a way of thinking about the construction method
in such a way that it would eventually be possible to make an
identical module in other languages (like French, for example).<br>
<br>
Good work!<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 30/09/2023 à 11:54, Timothy Allen a
écrit :<br>
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<p>The Berean Standard Bible is available in two machine-readable
formats: USFM, and "translation tables", a 40MB Excel
spreadsheet with a row for every Hebrew or Greek word in their
chosen source texts with the English text it's translated to. I
would like to make one module with the nice formatting of the
USFM sources and the metadata from the spreadsheet, so I've
spent the last few weeks writing a script that runs through them
both in parallel and makes s</p>
<p _d-id="714487"><span _d-id="723309"
class="--l --r sentence_highlight"><span _d-id="723312"
class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">I</span> <span
_d-id="723316" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">agree</span>
<span _d-id="723320" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">with</span>
<span _d-id="723324" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">you</span>
<span _d-id="723328" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">that</span>
<span _d-id="723332" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">the</span>
<span _d-id="723336" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">module</span>
<span _d-id="723340" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">should</span>
<span _d-id="723344" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">have</span>
<span _d-id="723348" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">as</span>
<span _d-id="723352" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">much</span>
<span _d-id="723356" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">information</span>
<span _d-id="723360" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">as</span>
<span _d-id="723364" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">possible</span><span
_d-id="723367" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">.</span> </span><span
_d-id="723370" class="--l --r sentence_highlight"><span
_d-id="723373" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">But</span>
<span _d-id="723377" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">not</span>
<span _d-id="723381" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">all</span>
<span _d-id="723385" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">of</span>
<span _d-id="723389" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">it</span>
<span _d-id="723393" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">can</span>
<span _d-id="723397" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">be</span>
<span _d-id="723401" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">read</span>
<span _d-id="723405" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">by</span>
<span _d-id="723409" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">the</span>
<span _d-id="723413" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">Sword</span>
<span _d-id="723417" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">interface</span><span
_d-id="723420" class="--l --r hover:bg-[#B4DAE8]">.</span> </span><span
_d-id="723423" class="--l --r sentence_highlight">Some may not
be useful. </span></p>
<p _d-id="714488"><span _d-id="723425"
class="--l --r sentence_highlight">You can also look at the
LXX module, which has quite a lot of information in its code.</span></p>
<p _d-id="714489"><span _d-id="723427"
class="--l --r sentence_highlight">The number is useful for
displaying strong numbers in order (if I remember correctly)
in Bishop (Android).</span></p>
<p _d-id="714490"><span _d-id="723429"
class="--l --r sentence_highlight">Finally, if you think it's
possible, I'd make a usfm file first, because it's much easier
to read and correct than an osis.</span></p>
<p _d-id="714491"><span _d-id="723431"
class="--l --r sentence_highlight">Have you also seen Karl's
script for building the module, in the BSB-draft module
folder?</span></p>
<p>ure everything lines up, so I'm now confident that I have an
accurate mapping between them.</p>
<p>My question now is, how can I translate the data from the
spreadsheet into OSIS?</p>
<p>Here's the information the spreadsheet gives me:</p>
<table width="100%" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="2" border="1">
<tbody>
<tr>
<th valign="top">Column<br>
</th>
<th valign="top">Example<br>
</th>
<th valign="top">Notes<br>
</th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top">he_ordinal<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">1<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">"Hebrew Ordinal", increments for each
spreadsheet row in the Old Testament, set to 999999 for
each row in the New Testament<br>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top">el_ordinal<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">0<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">"Greek Ordinal", set to 0 for each row in
the Old Testament, increments for each row in the New
Testament, except for Mark 1:1 which has a word with the
number 18379.5 (presumably something needed to be inserted
and they didn't want to renumber everything else)<br>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top">en_ordinal<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">1<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">"English Ordinal", increments for each
spreadsheet row (except for that word in Mark 1:1)<br>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top">language<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">Hebrew<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">"Hebrew", "Greek", or sometimes "Aramaic"<br>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top">verse_ordinal<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">1<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">Increments for each verse in the Bible, so
every word in Genesis 1:1 has "1", etc.<br>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top">source_word<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">בְּרֵאשִׁ֖ית<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">The word in the original source text.
Sometimes includes fancy brackets to mark sources other
than WLC or Nestle 1904: {TR} ⧼RP⧽ (WH) 〈NE〉 [NA] ‹SBL›
[[ECM]]<br>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top">transliteration<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">bə·rê·šîṯ<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">A transliteration of the source word into
the Latin alphabet<br>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top">grammar_code<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">Prep-b | N-fs<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">A code describing the grammatical form of
the word; these don't appear to be Robinson codes, but
their own custom thing for Hebrew (<a
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://biblehub.com/hebrewparse.htm"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://biblehub.com/hebrewparse.htm</a>)
and Greek (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://biblehub.com/abbrev.htm"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://biblehub.com/abbrev.htm</a>)<br>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top">grammar_description<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">Preposition-b | Noun - feminine singular<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">The grammar code, unabbreviated<br>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top">strongs_number<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">7225<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">The Strongs number of the basic form of
this word<br>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top">translation<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">In the beginning<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">The English text that appears in the BSB<br>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top">gloss<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">1) first, beginning, best, chief<br>
1a) beginning<br>
1b) first<br>
1c) chief<br>
1d) choice part<br>
</td>
<td valign="top">A definition from the Brown-Driver-Briggs
Hebrew Lexicon, or Thayer's Greek Definitions, as
appropriate<br>
</td>
</tr>
</tbody>
</table>
<p>Looking at the OSIS 2.1.1 User's Manual (and sniffing around in
the KJVA module), to represent this information in OSIS I should
use the <w> element, which supports the following
attributes (copy/pasted from the Manual):</p>
<ul>
<li><b>gloss</b> Record comments on a particular word or its
usage.</li>
<li><b>lemma</b> Use to record the base form of a word.</li>
<li><b>morph</b> Use to record grammatical information for a
word.</li>
<li><b>POS</b> Use to record the function of a word according to
a particular view of the language's syntax.</li>
<li><b>src</b> Use to record origin of the word.</li>
<li><b>xlit</b> Use to record a transliteration of a word.</li>
</ul>
<p>The first problem is that sometimes multiple source words are
translated into a single English span, and it's not made clear
how to express that in these attributes. From poking around in
the KJVA module, I get the impression these are supposed to be
space-delimited lists. Is that correct?</p>
<p>Assuming that's the case, here's my guesses at how to fill out
these attributes for each span:</p>
<ul>
<li><b>gloss</b> can't be done, because each gloss contains
spaces which means the displaying app can't figure out which
part of the gloss goes with which word</li>
<li><b>lemma</b> is where Strongs numbers go; Greek Strongs
numbers should be prefixed with "G" and Hebrew/Aramaic ones
with "H0"</li>
<li><b>morph</b> might be used for the "grammar code" content,
but I would probably need to figure out how to translate them
into Robinson codes first, since that seems to be the only
morphological dictionary module in the Crosswire repositories</li>
<li><b>POS</b> is unclear to me, I don't see how it differs from
the "morph" attribute</li>
<li><b>src</b> is also unclear: is this for the word order
(he_ordinal or el_ordinal, possibly numbered from the
beginning of the verse rather than the beginning of the entire
Bible) or the actual choice of source text (Nestle1904, TR,
NA, SBL, etc.)?</li>
<li><b>xlit</b> clearly comes from the "transliteration" field</li>
</ul>
<p>One thing that's clearly missing is where to put the source
word. How does that work?<br>
</p>
<p>Is there other way to represent information that doesn't fit
into the <w> element? I'd like this module to be as useful
as possible, so I'm hesitant to toss out any information that
can be usefully represented.</p>
<p>Is there anything else I've missed or misunderstood?</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Timothy.<br>
</p>
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