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<p>Hi Troy,</p>
<p>Thanks for your help! I have just tried using this parameter for
the construction of SWMgr and it looks good.<br>
I had another look at the example for the German Rieger commentary
where I observed the encoding issues before and they are gone now!</p>
<p>Well, I guess I could have asked one or the other question before
... but as long as a bit of code reading and experimenting results
in a solution, I'm usually fine.<br>
Thank you! I do appreciate all your efforts.</p>
<p>I do have another question regarding the construction of
MarkupFilterMgr.<br>
If I want to apply the encoding filter for UTF8, but do not need
the markup filter manager for XHTML is it ok to perform the
construction like this?<br>
<br>
new MarkupFilterMgr(sword::FMT_UNKNOWN, sword::ENC_UTF8)</p>
<p>I checked the code in markupfiltmgr.cpp and found that the
implementation of MarkupFilterMgr::createFilters does not consider
the case FMT_UNKNOWN, so in this case it would simply not add any
specific markup filter, right? Since I haven't used any markup
filters so far and my code already depends on the standard output
generated by the SWORD engine I did not want to add a markup
filter for the time being.</p>
<p>Is there another way to apply the UTF8 encoding without using
MarkupFilterMgr? (It just looks a bit weird when I look at the
construction now)<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Tobias<br>
<br>
PS:<br>
I think one thing we could do one of these days is check together
with other frontend developers whether some helper functions
created in various frontends could also be moved into the SWORD
library.<br>
<br>
Consider some of the helper functions implemented here:<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/ezra-bible-app/node-sword-interface/blob/master/src/sword_backend/module_helper.cpp">https://github.com/ezra-bible-app/node-sword-interface/blob/master/src/sword_backend/module_helper.cpp</a><br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/ezra-bible-app/node-sword-interface/blob/master/src/sword_backend/repository_interface.cpp">https://github.com/ezra-bible-app/node-sword-interface/blob/master/src/sword_backend/repository_interface.cpp</a></p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/3/23 9:27 PM, Troy A. Griffitts
wrote:<br>
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Hi Tobias,<br>
<br>
Yes, our documentation certainly needs much improvement. I am
surprised how far you've gone with so few questions. You have a
great talent for figuring things out. I wouldn't worry about the
guts of the details in the encoding filters. All you should need
to do is specify your desired output on the SWMgr you use for
rendering with something like:<br>
<br>
SWMgr mgr(new MarkupFilterMgr(sword::FMT_XHTML, sword::ENC_UTF8));<br>
<br>
Let me know if you'd like help,<br>
<br>
Troy<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On April 3, 2023 11:18:29 AM MST, Tobias
Klein <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:contact@tklein.info"><contact@tklein.info></a> wrote:
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padding-left: 1ex;">
<p>Thanks Troy!</p>
<p>I'll have a look at the EncodingFilters.</p>
<p>I think this is something not fully clear from the SWORD
documentation/examples.</p>
<p>Maybe these transformation points you had mentioned in the
thread below should be described somewhere in the developer
wiki?<br>
</p>
<p>Best regards,<br>
Tobias<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/3/23 6:45 PM, Troy A.
Griffitts wrote:<br>
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Dear Tobias,<br>
<br>
Please be sure to note my comment to you below in this
thread. It is likely the cause of your rendering issues,
while other apps have no problems.<br>
<br>
In brief, it says that I haven't seen anywhere that you tell
SWORD what markup and encoding you want from the engine. If
this is the case you will get whatever the modules are
encoded / marked up as, which might be various things.<br>
<br>
Hope this helps,<br>
<br>
Troy<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On January 22, 2023 12:03:22 PM
MST, "Troy A. Griffitts" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
href="mailto:scribe@crosswire.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><scribe@crosswire.org></a>
wrote:
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<p>Hey guys,</p>
<p>Sorry for not jumping in on this thread more quickly.</p>
<p>Please remember, SWORD has 4 transformation points,
each moving from the module source (as described in
the .conf file) to the client's request:</p>
<p>RenderFilters - markup, e.g., GBF, ThML, OSIS ->
XHTML<br>
</p>
<p>StripFilters - prep before searching<br>
</p>
<p>OptionFilters - turning on an off markup in the text
stream based on user options, e.g., Strongs Number,
Words of Christ in Red, etc.<br>
</p>
<p>EncodingFilters - e.g., 8859 - > UTF-8</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Module team: be sure the module has the correct
Encoding value in the .conf file (or the default)</p>
<p>Tobias, be sure you are creating your SWMgr with the
correct MarkupFilterMgr to do the transformation you
desire, e.g., see:</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://crosswire.org/svn/sword/trunk/examples/cmdline/outrender.cpp"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://crosswire.org/svn/sword/trunk/examples/cmdline/outrender.cpp</a></p>
<p>Hope this helps,</p>
<p>Troy<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/22/23 10:39, Fr
Cyrille wrote:<br>
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HI David,<br>
If you send me the file, I can convert it quickly in
osis. I script it from imp to usfm and the with
u2o.py.<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 22/01/2023 à 16:54,
David Haslam a écrit :<br>
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<div dir="auto">Thanks Tobias,</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">The problem is that CrossWire no
longer accepts module submissions that use IMP
format for the build process.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
We’d need to have a script (or equivalent TextPipe
filter) to convert IMP to OSIS (whether directly or
indirectly through some other intermediate file
format).
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">I’m not currently in a
practical position to work on that kind of task.</div>
<div dir="auto">Is anyone else up to it?<caret></caret></div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Best regards,<br>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">David</div>
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On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 15:39, Tobias Klein <<a
href="mailto:contact@tklein.info"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">contact@tklein.info</a>>
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<p>The FinPR module that David sent me works
fine without rendering issues! (see screenshot
below)<br>
</p>
<p>It would be good to upgrade the module in the
repo accordingly.<br>
</p>
<p>Best regards,<br>
Tobias<br>
</p>
<p><img
src="cid:part1.vYS1WII0.eryF0oRZ@crosswire.org"
alt=""
src-original-pm-cid="imap://fr%2Ecyrille%40tiberiade%2Ebe@ssl0.ovh.net:993/fetch%3EUID%3E.INBOX%3E8824?header=quotebody&part=1.1.2.2&filename=inccpcpbnhmlapdi.png"
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/22/23 8:31 AM,
David Haslam wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Thanks Kristóf.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><span style="San
Francisco", Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif; letter-spacing: normal;
orphans: auto; text-align: start;
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
white-space: normal; widows: auto;
word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-size-adjust: none;
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;
text-decoration: none; display: inline
!important; float: none;" dir="auto">The
rendering problem could have been fixed a
decade ago!!!</span><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Checking through my email
archives yesterday, I discovered that I had
rebuilt the FinPR module exactly 10 years
ago! That rebuild <span style="color:
var(--text-color); background:
var(--bg-color);" dir="auto">used mod2imp
and imp2vs and included </span><span
style="color: var(--text-color);
background: var(--bg-color);" dir="auto">a
fix to the text encoding implemented on
the IMP text</span><span style="color:
var(--text-color); background:
var(--bg-color);" dir="auto"> file). The
message was sent to the modules address on
2013-01-21 but presumably never progressed
by Chris Little who was then still
supposed to be responsible for module
releases and updates. He went permanently
AWOL from CrossWire around that time. </span></div>
<div dir="auto"><span style="color:
var(--text-color); background:
var(--bg-color);" dir="auto"><br>
</span></div>
<div dir="auto">Back then we had not narrowed
the policy for submitted source text to be
OSIS XML only. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">I wrote privately to Tobias
last night, forwarding the email of 10 years
ago complete with both attachments. He will
examine those today.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Aside: I also replaced
<…> by {…} where these had wrapped the
ch:vs references that recorded av11n in the
original upstream source. In 2012, there had
been no suitable av11n available in SWORD
but which we do have more recently.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">mod2osis should not be used,
as has already been noted.</div>
A round trip with mod2osis and osis2mod is not
lossless, unlike one <span style="color:
var(--text-color); background:
var(--bg-color);" dir="auto">with mod2imp
and imp2vs.</span>
<div dir="auto">
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Best regards,</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">David</div>
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On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 23:15, Kristof Szabo
<<a href="mailto:kristof.szabo@web.de"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
moz-do-not-send="true">kristof.szabo@web.de</a>>
wrote:
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type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">I managed to get Ezra
running (it was some libicu70 mess), and
yes, the accented characters in this
module are broken (as other modules
accented characters are OK; I assume it
is not a font issue). I tried the conf
file change, but it didn't work either.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The mitigation was to rebuild the
module, mod2osis leaves some garbage
in the OSIS, but that would be easy to
clean, anyway osis2mod is possible
with this garbage left in and tada we
have a proper accents.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><img
src="cid:part2.hDEilMi0.FuFLwKdw@crosswire.org"
alt="image.png" style="margin-right:
0px;" class=""
src-original-pm-cid="imap://fr%2Ecyrille%40tiberiade%2Ebe@ssl0.ovh.net:993/fetch%3EUID%3E.INBOX%3E8824?header=quotebody&part=1.1.2.3&filename=image.png"
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>As the module was updated last
only 3,5 yrs ago I assume the
maintainer is still active, ie. they
can be reached.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Or I can have a look too, the
challenge is, that such a module
rebuild can open pandora's box, if I
run some tests (<a
href="https://github.com/krisek/sword-test"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/krisek/sword-test</a>)
or David checks them, then for sure
there will be some issues. I'm happy
to fix some of them, but I
definitely do not speak Finnish, so
I'm not sure this would be a
responsible action. If Dom gives me
the go I can fix syntax &
submit, but I don't want to end up
in the rabbit hole :) Best would be
to reach out to the original
maintainer.</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kind regards,</div>
<div>k-</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 8:26 PM Greg
Hellings <<a
href="mailto:greg.hellings@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">greg.hellings@gmail.com</a>>
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<div dir="auto">Is Ezra properly
setting encoding on the content it
renders? Is it maybe setting a font
that doesn't have the proper code
points?
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">--Greg</div>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On
Sat, Jan 21, 2023, 13:12 Tobias
Klein <<a
href="mailto:contact@tklein.info"
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">contact@tklein.info</a>>
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<p>Hi Kristof, David,</p>
<p>Adding Encoding=UTF-8 to the
module conf file
~/.sword/mods.d/finpr.conf
does not solve my issue.</p>
<p>The text still looks the same
as before ...</p>
<p>What else could I do to
further debug this?<br>
</p>
<p>Best regards,<br>
Tobias<br>
</p>
<div>On 1/21/23 5:18 PM, Kristof
Szabo wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">Hi Thomas,</div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I suppose the problem
is that finpr.conf
contains no encoding
information (check the
Hun* modules for
reference), and if there
is nothing specified
Latin-1 is the default.
mod2osis (shouldn't be
used !! :)) shows that
the module is in UTF-8,
so there is a
misalignment.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a
href="https://wiki.crosswire.org/DevTools:conf_Files#:~:text=Plaintext-,Encoding,-UTF%2D8%0AUTF"
rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://wiki.crosswire.org/DevTools:conf_Files#:~:text=Plaintext-,Encoding,-UTF%2D8%0AUTF</a><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kind regards,</div>
<div>Kristof</div>
</div>
<br>
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class="gmail_attr">On
Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at
4:49 PM David Haslam
<<a
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<div>Hi Thomas,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What about other
Finnish modules?</div>
eg. FinPR92, FinRK,
FinSTLK2017<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Presumably you
already tested (eg)
German modules and
found that umlauts
and eszett are both
rendered aright?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Btw. FinPR
renders aright in
PocketSword
(iOS/iPadOS).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>David</div>
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at 15:25, Tobias Klein
<<a
href="mailto:contact@tklein.info"
rel="noreferrer"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">contact@tklein.info</a>> wrote:
<blockquote
type="cite">
<p>Hi,<br>
<br>
</p>
<p>When retrieving
the text of the
FinPR module I am
getting some
rendering issues
with the Finnish
Umlauts. This is
based on a user's
problem report.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
Romans 5:8 returns
like this in
node-sword-interface
/ Ezra:<br>
</p>
<p>Mutta Jumala
osoittaa
rakkautensa meit�
kohtaan siin�,
ett� Kristus, kun
me viel� olimme
syntisi�, kuoli
meid�n edest�mme.</p>
<p><br>
While it should
like like this
(rendered text
copied from
Xiphos):</p>
<p><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:none;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Mutta
Jumala osoittaa
rakkautensa
meitä kohtaan
siinä, että
Kristus, kun me
vielä olimme
syntisiä, kuoli
meidän
edestämme.</span></p>
<p><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:none;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline"><br>
</span></p>
<p><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:none;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">This
occurs both on
Linux and macOS
(have not tested
on Windows yet).</span></p>
<p><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:none;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Any
pointers what
could be the
root cause? I
generally have
not observed
rendering issues
with other
modules.</span></p>
<p><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:none;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline"><br>
</span></p>
<p><span
style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:none;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Best
regards,<br>
Tobias<br>
</span></p>
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