<html><head></head><body> <div dir="auto">Thanks Tobias,</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">The problem is that CrossWire no longer accepts module submissions that use IMP format for the build process.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div>We’d need to have a script (or equivalent TextPipe filter) to convert IMP to OSIS (whether directly or indirectly through some other intermediate file format).<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I’m not currently in a practical position to work on that kind of task.</div><div dir="auto">Is anyone else up to it?<caret></caret></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best regards,<br><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">David</div><div><br></div> <div id="protonmail_mobile_signature_block"><div>Sent from Proton Mail for iOS</div></div> <div><br></div><div><br></div>On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 15:39, Tobias Klein <<a href="mailto:contact@tklein.info" class="">contact@tklein.info</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite">
<p>The FinPR module that David sent me works fine without rendering
issues! (see screenshot below)<br>
</p>
<p>It would be good to upgrade the module in the repo accordingly.<br>
</p>
<p>Best regards,<br>
Tobias<br>
</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/22/23 8:31 AM, David Haslam wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Thanks Kristóf.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><span style="San Francisco", Helvetica,
Arial, sans-serif; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto;
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none;
white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px;
-webkit-text-size-adjust: none; -webkit-text-stroke-width:
0px; text-decoration: none; display: inline !important; float:
none;" dir="auto">The rendering problem could have been fixed
a decade ago!!!</span><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">Checking through my email archives yesterday, I
discovered that I had rebuilt the FinPR module exactly 10 years
ago! That rebuild <span style="color: var(--text-color);
background: var(--bg-color);" dir="auto">used mod2imp and
imp2vs and included </span><span style="color:
var(--text-color); background: var(--bg-color);" dir="auto">a
fix to the text encoding implemented on the IMP text</span><span style="color: var(--text-color); background: var(--bg-color);" dir="auto"> file). The message was sent to the modules address
on 2013-01-21 but presumably never progressed by Chris Little
who was then still supposed to be responsible for module
releases and updates. He went permanently AWOL from CrossWire
around that time. </span></div>
<div dir="auto"><span style="color: var(--text-color); background:
var(--bg-color);" dir="auto"><br>
</span></div>
<div dir="auto">Back then we had not narrowed the policy for
submitted source text to be OSIS XML only. </div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">I wrote privately to Tobias last night, forwarding
the email of 10 years ago complete with both
attachments. He will examine those today.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">Aside: I also replaced <…> by {…} where
these had wrapped the ch:vs references that recorded av11n in
the original upstream source. In 2012, there had been no
suitable av11n available in SWORD but which we do have more
recently.</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">mod2osis should not be used, as has already been
noted.</div>
A round trip with mod2osis and osis2mod is not lossless, unlike
one <span style="color: var(--text-color); background:
var(--bg-color);" dir="auto">with mod2imp and imp2vs.</span>
<div dir="auto">
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
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<div dir="auto">Best regards,</div>
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">David</div>
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On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 23:15, Kristof Szabo <<a href="mailto:kristof.szabo@web.de" class="">kristof.szabo@web.de</a>> wrote:
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<div dir="ltr">I managed to get Ezra running (it was some
libicu70 mess), and yes, the accented characters in this
module are broken (as other modules accented characters are
OK; I assume it is not a font issue). I tried the conf file
change, but it didn't work either.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The mitigation was to rebuild the module, mod2osis
leaves some garbage in the OSIS, but that would be easy to
clean, anyway osis2mod is possible with this garbage left
in and tada we have a proper accents.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><img src="cid:part3.63FDC908.6ED8A0A0@tklein.info" alt="image.png" style="margin-right: 0px;" class="" width="486" height="255" src-original-pm-cid="cid:part3.63FDC908.6ED8A0A0@tklein.info"><br>
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<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>As the module was updated last only 3,5 yrs ago I
assume the maintainer is still active, ie. they can be
reached.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Or I can have a look too, the challenge is, that such
a module rebuild can open pandora's box, if I run some
tests (<a href="https://github.com/krisek/sword-test">https://github.com/krisek/sword-test</a>)
or David checks them, then for sure there will be some
issues. I'm happy to fix some of them, but I definitely
do not speak Finnish, so I'm not sure this would be a
responsible action. If Dom gives me the go I can fix
syntax & submit, but I don't want to end up in the
rabbit hole :) Best would be to reach out to the
original maintainer.</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kind regards,</div>
<div>k-</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at
8:26 PM Greg Hellings <<a href="mailto:greg.hellings@gmail.com">greg.hellings@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="auto">Is Ezra properly setting encoding on the
content it renders? Is it maybe setting a font that
doesn't have the proper code points?
<div dir="auto"><br>
</div>
<div dir="auto">--Greg</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 21, 2023,
13:12 Tobias Klein <<a href="mailto:contact@tklein.info">contact@tklein.info</a>>
wrote:<br>
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0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid
rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<p>Hi Kristof, David,</p>
<p>Adding Encoding=UTF-8 to the module conf file
~/.sword/mods.d/finpr.conf does not solve my
issue.</p>
<p>The text still looks the same as before ...</p>
<p>What else could I do to further debug this?<br>
</p>
<p>Best regards,<br>
Tobias<br>
</p>
<div>On 1/21/23 5:18 PM, Kristof Szabo wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div dir="ltr">Hi Thomas,</div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I suppose the problem is that finpr.conf
contains no encoding information (check the
Hun* modules for reference), and if there is
nothing specified Latin-1 is the default.
mod2osis (shouldn't be used !! :)) shows
that the module is in UTF-8, so there is a
misalignment.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><a href="https://wiki.crosswire.org/DevTools:conf_Files#:~:text=Plaintext-,Encoding,-UTF%2D8%0AUTF" rel="noreferrer">https://wiki.crosswire.org/DevTools:conf_Files#:~:text=Plaintext-,Encoding,-UTF%2D8%0AUTF</a><br>
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<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kind regards,</div>
<div>Kristof</div>
</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan
21, 2023 at 4:49 PM David Haslam <<a href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" rel="noreferrer">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Hi Thomas,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>What about other Finnish modules?</div>
eg. FinPR92, FinRK, FinSTLK2017<br>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Presumably you already tested (eg)
German modules and found that umlauts
and eszett are both rendered aright?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Btw. FinPR renders aright in
PocketSword (iOS/iPadOS).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>David</div>
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On Sat, Jan 21, 2023 at 15:25, Tobias
Klein <<a href="mailto:contact@tklein.info" rel="noreferrer">contact@tklein.info</a>>
wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">
<p>Hi,<br>
<br>
</p>
<p>When retrieving the text of the FinPR
module I am getting some rendering
issues with the Finnish Umlauts. This
is based on a user's problem report.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
Romans 5:8 returns like this in
node-sword-interface / Ezra:<br>
</p>
<p>Mutta Jumala osoittaa rakkautensa
meit� kohtaan siin�, ett� Kristus, kun
me viel� olimme syntisi�, kuoli meid�n
edest�mme.</p>
<p><br>
While it should like like this
(rendered text copied from Xiphos):</p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:none;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Mutta
Jumala osoittaa rakkautensa meitä
kohtaan siinä, että Kristus, kun me
vielä olimme syntisiä, kuoli meidän
edestämme.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:none;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline"><br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:none;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">This
occurs both on Linux and macOS (have
not tested on Windows yet).</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:none;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Any
pointers what could be the root
cause? I generally have not observed
rendering issues with other modules.</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:none;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline"><br>
</span></p>
<p><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:none;font-size:medium;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration:none;float:none;display:inline">Best
regards,<br>
Tobias<br>
</span></p>
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