<html><head></head><body> <div>Seriously, what practical use are you proposing to make of the transcribed WikiSource text?</div><div><span style="color: var(--text-color); background: var(--bg-color);"><caret></caret>It’s far from being fully proofread and validated, as only a cursory inspection readily indicates.</span><br></div><div><br></div><div>And yes - it remains the case that the text of the KJV is protected by Royal Letters Patent within the United Kingdom, and that in principle, this copyright assertion should be upheld by subsequent mutual treaties in those nations that were signatories of the Berne Convention.</div><div><br></div><div>I’ve even discussed this matter with a friend who has worked for many years in the Bible Society (formerly known as the British and Foreign Bible Society). </div><div><br></div><div>That digital versions of the KJV exist on numerous websites and through a large variety of Bible software applications doesn’t negate that.</div><div><br></div><div>David</div><div><br></div> <div id="protonmail_mobile_signature_block"><div>Sent from Proton Mail for iOS</div></div> <div><br></div><div><br></div>On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 15:49, Fr Cyrille <<a href="mailto:fr.cyrille@tiberiade.be" class="">fr.cyrille@tiberiade.be</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite">
Dear David,<br>
<br>
I must admit that I am a little surprised by this speech. What is
really protected by a copyright? The text of the KJV bible or the
work done on this text? In our other conversation it didn't seem to
me that it was Crosswire's contributions to the text that you were
trying to protect? You mentioned the copyrights of the English
crown...<br>
Thank you for clarifying this point. I don't know what you are
talking about when you say: "<b>It’s also a derived digital work -
not the actual reference printed hard copy of the 1789 Oxford
(Blayney) Edition</b>", and about the facsimile of DM Smith.
Wikisource text it the blayney edition. In any case if you are
trying to protect the crosswire additions to the text my surprise is
even greater and I agree perfectly with what Michael says.<br>
<br>
Br Cyrille<br>
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PS: I would like to say that once again we are wasting our time to
know what to protect instead of looking for solutions to be able to
contribute effectively to solve the bugs related to the module.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 16/01/2023 à 15:52, David Haslam a
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<div>Aside: The KJV at WikiSource would only be relevant if
someone were wanting to create a text only KJV module.
The CrossWire OSIS source text is a long way further down the
road than plain text. There’s therefore no reason to keep
mentioning it. </div>
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<div>It’s also a derived digital work - not the
actual reference printed hard copy of the 1789 Oxford (Blayney)
Edition.</div>
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<div>At best it might be used to help locate any residual textual
differences that might yet be undiscovered in our KJV module,
but that would involve doing a comparison with the plain text
that could be easily exported from our module, and then checking
any such diff locations in the printed facsimile copy that DM
Smith possesses.</div>
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<div>Nobody in their right mind is proposing to start with the one
at WikiSource and insert all the feature rich OSIS XML markup
that we already have in the existing source text.</div>
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On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 13:22, Fr Cyrille <<a href="mailto:fr.cyrille@tiberiade.be" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">fr.cyrille@tiberiade.be</a>>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 16/01/2023 à 14:01, David Haslam
a écrit :<br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><span style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline
!important">A copy of this reply is sent<span> </span></span><b style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)">bcc</b><span style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline
!important">: to DM Smith's personal icloud address.</span><br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;">Dear Fr
Cyrille,</div>
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<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><a href="https://gitlab.com" title="gitlab.com">gitlab.com</a> is simply the <u>wrong
place</u> to host our <b>KJV</b> source text!</div>
<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;">If
necessary, it should be hosted <b>in-house</b> under <a href="https://git.crosswire.org" title="git.crosswire.org">git.crosswire.org</a> such that
only CrossWire volunteers have access.</div>
<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><b>Important</b>:
The KJV module is an <u>exception</u> to our usual practice
of taking source text from a publicly accessible website or
third party supplier. It was always specially developed <b>in-house</b>
from the early days of CrossWire. Much of its development
history is documented in the developer wiki at <span><a rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" href="https://wiki.crosswire.org/CrossWire_KJV" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://wiki.crosswire.org/CrossWire_KJV</a>
and related pages.</span></div>
<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><span><br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;">CrossWire
volunteer <b>DM Smith</b> has long been the prime mover in
this process.</div>
<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;">AFAIK, he
still carries the main responsibility for future <b>KJV</b>
module releases.</div>
<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><span style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: normal;">NB. The
related </span><span style="font-size: 9pt; line-height:
normal;"><b style="line-height: normal;">KJVA</b></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: normal;"> module
should be maintained in parallel with any changes
envisaged for the </span><span style="font-size: 9pt;
line-height: normal;"><b style="line-height: normal;">KJV</b></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: normal;"> module. ie.
Special provision was made in 2014 to use two iterations
of </span><span style="font-size: 9pt; line-height:
normal;"><b style="line-height: normal;">osis2mod</b></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: normal;"> such that
the </span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255,
255); display: inline !important; font-size: 9pt;
line-height: normal;"><i style="line-height: normal;">Deuterocanonical</i></span><span style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline
!important"><span style="font-size: 9pt; line-height:
normal;"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 9pt;
line-height: normal;">books were appended to the </span><span style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: normal;"><i style="line-height: normal;">Protocanonical</i></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: normal;"> books using
the </span><span style="font-size: 9pt; line-height:
normal;"><b style="line-height: normal;">-a</b></span><span style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: normal;"> option in
the second command line. This implies that the process
needs to be an exception to a semiautomatic module build
script that DomCox now uses for OSIS modules. I helped DM
in the run up to when version <b>2.10</b> was released.
At that time, we had not been making use of any git type
environment to keep track of changes for either the KJV or
KJVA module.</span></div>
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<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><u>Aside</u>:
The emergency release of <b>KJV</b> version <b>2.10.2</b>
was an exception to the previous process. This was an <i>ad
hoc</i> action that Troy deemed necessary because of the
nature of the issue being fixed.</div>
<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;">I could add
further observations, but this will need to suffice for now.</div>
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David </div>
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Thank you David do put this information on the list so that
everyone can understand the problem. Personally I don't agree
with this restrictive view of KJV treatment but I had submitted
to your decision. Because I don't bring the same importance to
this very particular copyright claimed by the British Crown. The
presence of KJV on wikisource is a proof of this.<br>
However, what I see is that we are still at square one, i.e.
nobody can do anything to improve the module. That's why I gave
up, it's this report of a new error that revives the discussion.<br>
For me if we don't give the tools to the Crosswire community to
improve the module it's just doomed to stay as it is with its
errors.<br>
We could put the text on the right git, it would still be
necessary that you allow other users to work on your text, and
that the modification made in the emergency by Troy is validated
in the current version before making other corrections. The
corrections are extremely simple almost anyone can do it. The
facsimile is on wikisource.<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:KJV_1769_Oxford_Edition,_vol._1.djvu">https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:KJV_1769_Oxford_Edition,_vol._1.djvu</a><br>
<br>
Best regards, <br>
<br>
Br Cyrille<br>
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On Monday, January 16th, 2023 at 11:51 AM, Fr Cyrille <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:fr.cyrille@tiberiade.be"><fr.cyrille@tiberiade.be></a>
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Cyrille a écrit :<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 12/01/2023 à 21:44,
Matěj Cepl a écrit :<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre">On 2023-01-12, 18:57 GMT, Fr Cyrille wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre">Unfortunately, the work on KJV is currently at a standstill, and bugs
are piling up on the tracker. I wanted to offer my help but I didn't get
any answer. This is a problem that should be treated seriously,
considering the importance of the KJV.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre">Well, it would probably help if
<a href="https://gitlab.com/crosswire-bible-society/kjv/" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener">https://gitlab.com/crosswire-bible-society/kjv/</a> actually
contained sources.
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I tried to do this, but since some people say there are
copyrights issues on the KJV, although the full text is
on wikisource which has a very strict copyrights
enforcement policy, I gave up the project.<br>
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My attempt: <a href="https://gitlab.com/crosswire-bible-society/kjv" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" rel="noreferrer nofollow
noopener">https://gitlab.com/crosswire-bible-society/kjv</a><br>
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Matěj
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