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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 16/01/2023 à 17:23, David Haslam a
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<div>Seriously, what practical use are you proposing to make of
the transcribed WikiSource text?</div>
<div><span style="color: var(--text-color); background:
var(--bg-color);"><caret></caret>It’s far from being fully
proofread and validated, as only a cursory inspection readily
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I am not saying that. I just wanted to point out that we have access
to the text. This does not answer the questions we are interested
in. How to contribute to solve the bugs in the KJV. <br>
For me I'm not going to continue discussing this. Neither you nor DM
Smith seem willing to involve others on this issue. So until we have
a solution like this, here is the link to the KJV where you can
propose your improvements, I won't discuss it anymore unnecessarily.<br>
Personally, I'm not interested in the KJV. I have more important
projects for my own language.<br>
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<div>And yes - it remains the case that the text of the KJV is
protected by Royal Letters Patent within the United Kingdom, and
that in principle, this copyright assertion should be upheld by
subsequent mutual treaties in those nations that were
signatories of the Berne Convention.</div>
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<div>I’ve even discussed this matter with a friend who has worked
for many years in the Bible Society (formerly known as the
British and Foreign Bible Society). </div>
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<div>That digital versions of the KJV exist on numerous websites
and through a large variety of Bible software applications
doesn’t negate that.</div>
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On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 15:49, Fr Cyrille <<a
href="mailto:fr.cyrille@tiberiade.be"
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<blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"> Dear David,<br>
<br>
I must admit that I am a little surprised by this speech. What
is really protected by a copyright? The text of the KJV bible or
the work done on this text? In our other conversation it didn't
seem to me that it was Crosswire's contributions to the text
that you were trying to protect? You mentioned the copyrights of
the English crown...<br>
Thank you for clarifying this point. I don't know what you are
talking about when you say: "<b>It’s also a derived digital work
- not the actual reference printed hard copy of the 1789
Oxford (Blayney) Edition</b>", and about the facsimile of DM
Smith. Wikisource text it the blayney edition. In any case if
you are trying to protect the crosswire additions to the text my
surprise is even greater and I agree perfectly with what Michael
says.<br>
<br>
Br Cyrille<br>
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PS: I would like to say that once again we are wasting our time
to know what to protect instead of looking for solutions to be
able to contribute effectively to solve the bugs related to the
module.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 16/01/2023 à 15:52, David Haslam
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<div>Aside: The KJV at WikiSource would only be relevant if
someone were wanting to create a text only KJV module. The
CrossWire OSIS source text is a long way further down the
road than plain text. There’s therefore no reason to keep
mentioning it. </div>
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<div>It’s also a derived digital work - not the actual
reference printed hard copy of the 1789 Oxford (Blayney)
Edition.</div>
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<div>At best it might be used to help locate any residual
textual differences that might yet be undiscovered in our
KJV module, but that would involve doing a comparison with
the plain text that could be easily exported from our
module, and then checking any such diff locations in the
printed facsimile copy that DM Smith possesses.</div>
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<div>Nobody in their right mind is proposing to start with the
one at WikiSource and insert all the feature rich OSIS XML
markup that we already have in the existing source text.</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
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<div>David</div>
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On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 13:22, Fr Cyrille <<a
href="mailto:fr.cyrille@tiberiade.be"
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 16/01/2023 à 14:01, David
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<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><span
style="background-color:rgb(255, 255,
255);display:inline !important">A copy of this reply
is sent<span> </span></span><b
style="background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)">bcc</b><span
style="background-color:rgb(255, 255,
255);display:inline !important">: to DM Smith's
personal icloud address.</span><br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;">Dear Fr
Cyrille,</div>
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<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><a
href="https://gitlab.com" title="gitlab.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">gitlab.com</a> is simply the <u>wrong
place</u> to host our <b>KJV</b> source text!</div>
<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;">If
necessary, it should be hosted <b>in-house</b> under <a
href="https://git.crosswire.org"
title="git.crosswire.org" moz-do-not-send="true">git.crosswire.org</a>
such that only CrossWire volunteers have access.</div>
<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><b>Important</b>:
The KJV module is an <u>exception</u> to our usual
practice of taking source text from a publicly
accessible website or third party supplier. It was
always specially developed <b>in-house</b> from the
early days of CrossWire. Much of its development history
is documented in the developer wiki at <span><a
rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener"
href="https://wiki.crosswire.org/CrossWire_KJV"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.crosswire.org/CrossWire_KJV</a>
and related pages.</span></div>
<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><span><br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;">CrossWire
volunteer <b>DM Smith</b> has long been the prime mover
in this process.</div>
<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;">AFAIK,
he still carries the main responsibility for future <b>KJV</b>
module releases.</div>
<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><br>
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<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><span
style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: normal;">NB. The
related </span><span style="font-size: 9pt;
line-height: normal;"><b style="line-height: normal;">KJVA</b></span><span
style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: normal;"> module
should be maintained in parallel with any changes
envisaged for the </span><span style="font-size: 9pt;
line-height: normal;"><b style="line-height: normal;">KJV</b></span><span
style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: normal;"> module.
ie. Special provision was made in 2014 to use two
iterations of </span><span style="font-size: 9pt;
line-height: normal;"><b style="line-height: normal;">osis2mod</b></span><span
style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: normal;"> such
that the </span><span style="background-color:
rgb(255, 255, 255); display: inline !important;
font-size: 9pt; line-height: normal;"><i
style="line-height: normal;">Deuterocanonical</i></span><span
style="background-color:rgb(255, 255,
255);display:inline !important"><span
style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: normal;"> </span></span><span
style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: normal;">books
were appended to the </span><span style="font-size:
9pt; line-height: normal;"><i style="line-height:
normal;">Protocanonical</i></span><span
style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: normal;"> books
using the </span><span style="font-size: 9pt;
line-height: normal;"><b style="line-height: normal;">-a</b></span><span
style="font-size: 9pt; line-height: normal;"> option
in the second command line. This implies that the
process needs to be an exception to a semiautomatic
module build script that DomCox now uses for OSIS
modules. I helped DM in the run up to when version <b>2.10</b>
was released. At that time, we had not been making use
of any git type environment to keep track of changes
for either the KJV or KJVA module.</span></div>
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<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;"><u>Aside</u>:
The emergency release of <b>KJV</b> version <b>2.10.2</b>
was an exception to the previous process. This was an <i>ad
hoc</i> action that Troy deemed necessary because of
the nature of the issue being fixed.</div>
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<div style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 14px;">I could
add further observations, but this will need to suffice
for now.</div>
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regards,<br>
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Thank you David do put this information on the list so that
everyone can understand the problem. Personally I don't
agree with this restrictive view of KJV treatment but I had
submitted to your decision. Because I don't bring the same
importance to this very particular copyright claimed by the
British Crown. The presence of KJV on wikisource is a proof
of this.<br>
However, what I see is that we are still at square one, i.e.
nobody can do anything to improve the module. That's why I
gave up, it's this report of a new error that revives the
discussion.<br>
For me if we don't give the tools to the Crosswire community
to improve the module it's just doomed to stay as it is with
its errors.<br>
We could put the text on the right git, it would still be
necessary that you allow other users to work on your text,
and that the modification made in the emergency by Troy is
validated in the current version before making other
corrections. The corrections are extremely simple almost
anyone can do it. The facsimile is on wikisource.<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:KJV_1769_Oxford_Edition,_vol._1.djvu"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Index:KJV_1769_Oxford_Edition,_vol._1.djvu</a><br>
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Best regards, <br>
<br>
Br Cyrille<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 16/01/2023 à 11:27, Fr
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 12/01/2023 à 21:44,
Matěj Cepl a écrit :<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre">On 2023-01-12, 18:57 GMT, Fr Cyrille wrote:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre">Unfortunately, the work on KJV is currently at a standstill, and bugs
are piling up on the tracker. I wanted to offer my help but I didn't get
any answer. This is a problem that should be treated seriously,
considering the importance of the KJV.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre">Well, it would probably help if
<a href="https://gitlab.com/crosswire-bible-society/kjv/" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" rel="noreferrer nofollow noopener" moz-do-not-send="true">https://gitlab.com/crosswire-bible-society/kjv/</a> actually
contained sources.
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I tried to do this, but since some people say there
are copyrights issues on the KJV, although the full
text is on wikisource which has a very strict
copyrights enforcement policy, I gave up the
project.<br>
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My attempt: <a
href="https://gitlab.com/crosswire-bible-society/kjv"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext" rel="noreferrer
nofollow noopener" moz-do-not-send="true">https://gitlab.com/crosswire-bible-society/kjv</a><br>
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Matěj
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