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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">Why not just add a normalization method to Sword? Ie. if the numeric reference starts with '0', pad it out to 5 digits?</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">John Dudeck</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> What Karl has observed is a long-standing problem.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> Might it be feasible to employ a suitable regular expression to match the Strong’s H number </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> whether or not it has any leading zero[s]?</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> This would have to be done under the hood for this type of search, as it’s quite a different task </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> than a user entered regex search.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> But should such a workaround be better implemented in the SWORD API rather than as a kludge </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> in a front-end?</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> And if so, how should JSword based front-ends also address the issue?</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> David</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 13:27, Karl Kleinpaste <karl@kleinpaste.org> wrote:</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> I have a Xiphos bug in which the facility to take a Strong's dict entry and search the Bible module for </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> all its occurrences sometimes works and sometimes doesn't.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> The mechanism is straightforward: Take the key from the dict pane, note whether this is Heb or Grk, </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> construct e.g. lemma:Hxxxxx, stuff that into the sidebar search, and execute the search. No sweat.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> The problem is with Heb refs. Because of the ancient habit that Heb Strong's refs are given a leading </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> zero prefix (e.g. "07225") as a weak discriminant from Grk refs in the same number space, I actually </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> handle this case explicitly. Strong's module keys are fixed, 5-digit strings, and the dict pane always </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> shows this. When that key is taken to build the lemma search, I specifically include the last leading </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> zero in the Heb case.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> This works in KJV and ESV where we find "<w savlm="strong:H07225">In the beginning</w>".</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> This fails in NASB and OSHB where we find "<w savlm="strong:H7225">In the beginning</w>".</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> Note H07225 vs H7225.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> The question revolves around what a Strong's ref ontologically is. Seriously, what is it?</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> Is it a number, written naturally with minimal required digits, stored for convenience in a character </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> string?</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> Or is it a specific and fixed string of characters?</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> In terms of module keys, it's a string of characters.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> In terms of Bible markup, well... Opinion varies. As we see in this case, some Bibles encode as a </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> natural number, occupying the normal (minimal) digits needed, but others take the fixed string </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> approach so as to include a leading zero, but note that it's not a full, fixed, 5-digit string to match a </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> dict key; it's just one leading zero, no matter how many natural digits follow. KJV encodes the 1st Heb </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> ref as "01". Not "1" (natural number) and not "00001" (module key); just "01".</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> Result is that, by constructing zero-prefixed searches, such searches always fail in Bibles using </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> natural/minimal digits because there's never a zero-prefixed match.</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> This is different from Grk refs, which are stored in dict modules the same as Heb dict keys -- fixed </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> 5-digit -- but are always marked up as natural numbers using minimal digits.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> As matters stand, I have no a priori means by which to determine what to expect in a Bible's Heb </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> Strong's markup. The dict pane's key from which to construct the search is fixed 5 digits. That is at </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> first trimmed to natural, minimal digits...and then the trouble starts because I don't have anything like </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> a module conf directive to tell me whether the module uses zero-prefixed Heb refs or not. I'm also not </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> aware that we have any standard for such markup to which I can point to say, "NASB's markup is </span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> wrong because it lacks zero-prefixing on Heb refs."</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> Help.</span></font></div>
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