<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Troy,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Again, thank you for the emergency fix.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My apologies for the error. It’s my bad.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It has taken some effort to find when and how it happened.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The problem was introduced Feb 2013 by my hand edit to merge empty <w> tags having G3588 with the appropriate <w> having the following position.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">Example: Matthew 26:11</div><div class="">Before: Jan 30, 2013</div><div class=""><div class=""><verse osisID="Matt.26.11" sID="Matt.26.11"/><b class=""><w src="3" lemma="strong:G3588" morph="robinson:T-APM"/></b><w src="2" lemma="strong:G1063" morph="robinson:CONJ">For</w> <w src="5" lemma="strong:G2192" morph="robinson:V-PAI-2P">ye have</w> <b class=""><w src="4" lemma="strong:G4434" morph="robinson:A-APM">the poor</w></b> <w src="1" lemma="strong:G3842" morph="robinson:ADV">always</w> <w src="6" lemma="strong:G3326" morph="robinson:PREP">with</w> <w src="7" lemma="strong:G1438" morph="robinson:F-3GPM">you</w>; <w src="9" lemma="strong:G1161" morph="robinson:CONJ">but</w> <w src="8" lemma="strong:G1691" morph="robinson:P-1AS">me</w> <w src="12" lemma="strong:G2192" morph="robinson:V-PAI-2P">ye have</w> <w src="10" lemma="strong:G3756" morph="robinson:PRT-N">not</w> <w src="11" lemma="strong:G3842" morph="robinson:ADV">always</w>.<verse eID="Matt.26.11"/></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div>After: Feb 3, 2013</div><div><div><verse osisID="Matt.26.11" sID="Matt.26.11"/><w src="2" lemma="strong:G1063" morph="robinson:CONJ">For</w> <w src="5" lemma="strong:G2192" morph="robinson:V-PAI-2P">ye have</w> <b class=""><w src="3 4" lemma="strong:G3688 strong:G4434" morph="robinson:T-APM robinson:A-APM">the poor</w></b> <w src="1" lemma="strong:G3842" morph="robinson:ADV">always</w> <w src="6" lemma="strong:G3326" morph="robinson:PREP">with</w> <w src="7" lemma="strong:G1438" morph="robinson:F-3GPM">you</w>; <w src="9" lemma="strong:G1161" morph="robinson:CONJ">but</w> <w src="8" lemma="strong:G1691" morph="robinson:P-1AS">me</w> <w src="12" lemma="strong:G2192" morph="robinson:V-PAI-2P">ye have</w> <w src="10" lemma="strong:G3756" morph="robinson:PRT-N">not</w> <w src="11" lemma="strong:G3842" morph="robinson:ADV">always</w>.<verse eID="Matt.26.11”/></div><div><br class=""></div><div>I need to look to see if I introduced other errors.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>In Him,</div><div><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>DM</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 3, 2021, at 8:31 PM, DM Smith <<a href="mailto:dmsmith@crosswire.org" class="">dmsmith@crosswire.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">David and I’ll look at this soon. We’ll try to figure out how this happened and whether the problem is bigger than this. <br class=""><br class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">— DM Smith</div><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 3, 2021, at 5:40 PM, David Haslam <<a href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" class="">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""> <div class="">Hi Troy,<caret class=""></caret></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I will discuss the reported issue with DM as and when I have enough free time. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We should definitely not revert to 2.4 as that would simply undo all the good work from 2.5 through 2.9</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If there’s a mistake, we can include the corrections in version 2.10 which is still in preparation and has been for several years. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div>I didn’t respond earlier simply because I’ve had other matters to attend to today. <br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Happy Easter!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">David</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div id="protonmail_mobile_signature_block" class=""><div class="">Sent from ProtonMail for iOS</div></div> <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div>On Sat, Apr 3, 2021 at 21:42, Troy A. Griffitts <<a href="mailto:scribe@crosswire.org" class="">scribe@crosswire.org</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"><p class="">A bit more investigation, this seems to be introduced between
versions of our KJV 2.4 and 2.5. <br class="">
</p><p class="">2.4 reads correctly. 2.5 has this problem. Unfortunately we
have uninformative information in our History .conf entries
between these versions.</p><p class="">I am tempted to roll back this module to 2.4.</p><p class="">Can anyone speak to the issue of how Strong's number values could
possibly change between version 2.4 and 2.5; and when we discover
how this could happen, what other problems this might have
introduced in revision 2.5?</p><p class="">Troy</p><p class=""><br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/3/21 7:58 AM, Troy A. Griffitts
wrote:<br class="">
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This is a bit disturbing I just check our lastest KJV and TR
modules (which was the base for the Strong's markup in the KJV). I
can confirm that Romans 3:25 has Strong's 3688 whereas the TR does
not.<br class="">
<br class="">
DM and David have been the primary curators of our KJV text. Any
speculation on how an error like this could have entered the text
and how that might be the cause of other corruptions?<br class="">
<br class="">
Troy<br class="">
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<div class="gmail_quote">On April 3, 2021 4:18:01 AM MST, vtamara
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:vtamara@pasosdeJesus.org"><vtamara@pasosdeJesus.org></a> wrote:
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<pre class="k9mail">Sorry, I made mistake in my previos email, Romans 3:25 would show that
the word with Strong number 3688 is also τω. But according to
<a href="https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3688&t=KJV" class="">https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3688&t=KJV</a>
the word with strong number 3688 is ὄνος (donkey).
<a href="https://biblehub.com/greek/3688.htm" class="">https://biblehub.com/greek/3688.htm</a> also shows that the word would be
ὄνος
Even KVJ module in verse John 12:15 shows that the word with Strong
number G3688 is ὄνος:
<w lemma="strong:G3688 lemma.TR:ονου" morph="robinson:N-GSF" src="13">an
ass’s</w>
(so as well as in Mat 21:2, Mat 21:5, Mat 21:6, Luk 13.15, Luk 14:5).
Anyway I think in Romans 3:25 and 3:26 the word τῷ should have Strong
number 3588.
I see similar problem with G3688 in the following verses of the KJV
module:
* Mat 26:11
* Mat 26:12
* Mat 26:45
* Mat 26:69
* Mat 27:46
* Mark 1:9
* Mark 5:30
* Mark 13:20
* Luke 2:38
* Luke 8.46
* Luke 14:21
* Luke 16:9
* II Corinthians 1:8
* II Corinthians 1:9
* II Corinthians 8:14
* Revelation of John 11:4
* Revelation of John 14:7
Blessings.
El 2021-04-03 06:34, vtamara escribió:
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;">Good morning in the Lord
For the module KJV the markup of Romans 3:26 is:
<w lemma="strong:G3688 strong:G2540 lemma.TR:τω lemma.TR:καιρω"
morph="robinson:T-DSM robinson:N-DSM" src="12 14">time</w>
that says that word number 12 in Greek is τω with Strong number 3688
However Romans 3:25 shows that the word with Strong number 3688 is
αιματι:
<w lemma="strong:G3688 strong:G129 lemma.TR:τω lemma.TR:αιματι"
morph="robinson:T-DSN robinson:N-DSN" src="10 12">blood</w>
And for example at
<a href="https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3588&t=KJV" class="">https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3588&t=KJV</a>
I read that the Strong number 3588 corresponds to ὁ that is
interchangeable
with τῷ.
Then I think the Markup for the word number 12 of Romans 3:26 should
stay as τῷ but with Strong number 3588.
Blessings
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