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<p>Thanks Michael,</p>
<p>They "dropped" the backpayment demand and took a much nicer tone
when I asked for upper management to get involved in the
conversation. I appreciate the offer to help, though.</p>
<p>Troy</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/6/19 9:28 AM, Michael H wrote:<br>
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Following up on the amount due. I know the organization
itself doesn't do money, but if they continue to chase
crosswire for that money, is there a way to contribute to
that? <br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 12:19
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<p>Hi Tuomas,</p>
<p>Yes, Crossway has decided to ask us again to stop
distributing the ESV. We deal with new people there all
the time and explaining to them how we work and our
"family" of applications, and that open source software
does not mean open source Bibles, is a challenge. For the
past 10 years, we have tried to get the ESV distribution
off of our server onto Crossway's server into their own
SWORD remote module installation repository, so as to not
require from CrossWire a license from Crossway (and all
Crossway requires of a license, including a nominal annual
fee, renewing the contract, providing regular download
stats, etc.). Crossway has expressed desire to do this in
the past, which we hoped would happen soon and hadn't been
paying their licensing fees in the hopes that they would
take over their own distribution, but they have never
follow through with this. The most recent person in
charge of digital licensing has now sent us a bill for
$1400 for past licensing dues and is sending mixed
signals:</p>
<p>"Crossway does not wish to have you do this [distribute
from CrossWire servers] with our content, as we have our
own servers. We also do not want to make your software or
the data files that work with our [sic: your?] software
available on Crossway's site, as we have our own
proprietary API, apps, software, and systems."</p>
<p>...<br>
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<p>"Crossway is not interested in granting you a license to
distribute the ESV from your server, nor do we wish to
distribute your data files and software from our site."</p>
<p>...</p>
<p>"If in the days to come you wish to use the ESV again, we
would welcome a new proposal from you regarding your
desired use."</p>
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<p>I sent the new distributions rights "VP" all the threads
of discussion we've had over the past 18 year with
Crossway. I am sure it was probably too much to be
useful, but have quoted relevant sections of those
discussions. It all comes down to the fact that we have
2000+ Bibles available for our tools. For no other Bible
do we have to pay an annual licensing fee or regularly
deal with demands from some new person in charge of
digital rights to cease distribute of their text when
someone from our community emails them and asks about
their new SWORD frontend having access to the ESV. It has
become exhausting.<br>
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<p>I am sad it has come to this,</p>
<p>Troy<br>
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6/4/19 11:44 PM, Tuomas Airaksinen wrote:<br>
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<div>And Bible user notified me that popular ESV module
has disappeared and I checked that it indeed is not
listed in AB module listings at the moment. What
happened?</div>
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