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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Il 14/05/2019 22:55, Cyrille ha
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did you start from the PDF or the pagemaker file?</div>
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PMaker<br>
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style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large"> Either
way, you should send a snippet to your source and validate
the words are still readable. As small as 30 words should be
enough. <br>
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<div dir="ltr">The convert text? If yes look the attached file.<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, May 14, 2019 at 8:09
AM Cyrille <<a href="mailto:lafricain79@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">lafricain79@gmail.com</a>>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> I send my message again because it
was bigger.<br>
<br>
The conversion to UTF-8 is 99% solved!! I used a online
converter:<br>
<a
class="gmail-m_2217136186459166179moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://thanlwinsoft.github.io/www.thanlwinsoft.org/ThanLwinSoft/MyanmarUnicode/Conversion/myanmarConverter.html"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://thanlwinsoft.github.io/www.thanlwinsoft.org/ThanLwinSoft/MyanmarUnicode/Conversion/myanmarConverter.html</a><br>
or:<br>
<a
class="gmail-m_2217136186459166179moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://burglish.my-mm.org/latest/trunk/web/fontconv.htm"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://burglish.my-mm.org/latest/trunk/web/fontconv.htm</a><br>
<br>
See the result <a
href="https://framadrop.org/r/jKnYnvuQIH#mE+FWcvzD1N/Omnfr7uWMZmI/HZUUVPdvnVVkBFyFrA="
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">here</a>.<br>
<br>
Now the only problem is how to get the verse and chapter
number... <br>
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14/05/2019 13:53, Michael H ha scritto:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"
face="garamond,
 serif">Cyrille, (Peter), <br>
<br>
Maybe further discussion on this belongs in
Gitlab as issues. Can I get added to this
project? <br>
<br>
Here are the first few lines of Matthew copied
from the PDF: </font><br>
------<br>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">&Sifrmaw;OD;
{0Ha*vdusrf;</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">The
Gospel According to Matthew</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">ed'gef;</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">usr;f
ûyy*k Kd¾v f &iS rf maw;O;D \b0rwS wf r;f</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">usr;f
ûyy*k Kd¾v f &iS rf maw;O;Don f
*gavav;,e,rf S*sL;vrl sK;d tmvaf z;O;D
\om;jzp\f / (rmu k2;14)</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">olonf
tcGefcHoltjzpf trIxrf;chJonf/ (vk 5;27)
a,Zl;ocif\aemufvdkufwynfhrjzpfrD ol\trnfrSm</div>
<div class="gmail_default"
style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">av0djzp\f
/ ool n f wad b;&,d tidk tf e;DwGi f
a,Z;lociEf iS ahf wG U Ny;D<br>
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style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">-----</div>
<div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"
face="garamond,
 serif">And here are the
first few lines of Matthew copied from the
Pagemaker file: </font></div>
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face="garamond,
 serif">-----<br>
</font>
<div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"
face="garamond, serif">Sifrmaw;OD;
{0Ha*vdusrf;</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><font size="4"
face="garamond, serif">The Gospel
According to Matthew</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><span
style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">ed'gef;</span><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default"><span
style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">usrf;�yyk*�dKvf
&Sifrmaw;OD;\b0rSwfwrf; </span><br>
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<div class="gmail_default"><span
style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">usrf;�yyk*�dKvf
&Sifrmaw;OD;onf *gavav;,e,frS
*sL;vlrsKd; tmvfaz;OD;\om;jzpf\/ (rmuk
2;14) olonf tcGefcHoltjzpf trIxrf;chJonf/
(vk 5;27)
a,Zl;ocif\aemufvdkufwynfhrjzpfrD
ol\trnfrSm av0djzpf\/ olonf
wdab;&d,tkdifteD;wGif
a,Zl;ocifESifhawGU NyD;<br>
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<br>
You can see that some letters have
changed, and some others are in a
different order. <br>
<br>
</span><span
style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">The
letters that change are likely those
points that aren't compatible with
unicode, and pagemaker reassigned them to
ensure that the file is more widely
viewable. Since a conversion is already
planned, these won't matter as much, but
the font embedded in the PDF is different
than the font attached to the pagemaker
file, If you do start from the PDF,
you'll need to extract the font to get the
code points. </span><br
style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">
<span
style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large"><br>
The problem is that the PDF export from
pagemaker sorts the letters into the order
they appear on the page. Burmese text has
Indian style ligatures, where vowels tend
to jump over or under the previous
letters, sometimes back 2 or three
letters. If you study the following
snippets from the beginning of Matthew,
you can see there is a difference in
order, as well as some glyphs are
modified. <br>
<br>
So, from the PDF letters are out of order,
but from Pagemaker, letters are encoded
into control points. Fixing the control
points is easy and happens with the
unicode conversion. Fixing the letter
order is not easy. You'll need a first
language speaker and plenty of time. </span></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><span
style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large"><br>
The guidance I received on another group
was to use either LO Draw or Indesign to
export the text from Pagemaker. I'll look
into LO Draw again, but I don't have
access to an older version of Indesign
(the pagemaker import was removed in
CS6). </span><span
style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large"><br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, May 13, 2019
at 10:40 AM Michael H <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true">cmahte@gmail.com</a>>
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style="font-family:garamond,serif;font-size:large">I
unzipped the pagemaker file, and when I open
NT_Proverb/Pagemaker (10.1mb), with a Hex
editor, I can 'find' all of the book names, and
see the text there. <br>
<br>
To see the raw text: rename NT_Proverb.pmd >
NT_Proverb.zip and open it with a zip archive
progeram. The text is in the Pagemaker file at
the top level of the archive, but encoded with a
lot of extraneous information. (The English
text "Matthew" appears at hex location
7A76972). <br>
<br>
When I open the fonts with fontforge, Fontforge
suggests the fonts are encoded as unicode (but
the glyphs are obviously not in the right
spot.) <br>
However when I copy the text (I copied from LO
Draw) and paste it into jedit and save that as
unicode: Reopening the file has a warning 'not
unicode, text may be missing'. <br>
<br>
So, what this means is that there are some
glyphs encoded into locations that unicode
treats as control or non-printing codes. The
text needs to be dealt with as a specific
encoding that matches whatever the original font
actually uses. I haven't figured out what the
original text files were encoded with. Without
that knowledge, I'm not sure my system clipboard
or editor (jedit) will properly respect the
glyphs in unusual locations until the conversion
to unicode, and I don't trust myself to be able
to detect if it is or is not properly
converted. <br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, May 13,
2019 at 10:11 AM Cyrille <<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lafricain79@gmail.com</a>>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> David,<br>
Probably you are right about <a
href="http://scripts.sil.org/cms/scripts/page.php?site_id=nrsi&cat_id=TECkit"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">TECkit</a>,
if we get the text it will help us to convert
in UNICODE.<br>
About how to get the text, your method is out
of my skills :)<br>
I you succeed please let me know.<br>
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13/05/2019 16:21, David Haslam ha scritto:<br>
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<div>Given the insights from Michael Hart,
it may be feasible to temporarily
rearrange the main text stream as follows
:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1. Replace every EOL by a horizontal
tab. </div>
<div>2. Insert an EOL after each verse end
character. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Observe that the above two steps are
wholly reversible such that the original
text stream can be restored later. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In effect the text stream is now in
verse per line (VPL) layout, albeit
without verse tags. Some adjustments may
be necessary if there any section
headings, etc. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>3. Add line numbers with the first
number being reset to 1 at the start of
each chapter, numbers incrementing by 1
for each line. </div>
<div>4. Add a left margin USFM verse tag \v_<br>
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<div>Steps 3&4 can be implemented in
various ways. For my part, I’d use a
bespoke TextPipe filter. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Another method to consider might be
to use Excel formulae. I recall
resorting to such a method in the early
days of Go Bible. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Now restore the original layout by
reverting steps 2 & 1, if this is
really necessary. That is, if the
original text layout appeared to be
paragraphed. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>5. Decide how & where to insert
paragraph tags. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>6. Add chapter tags, book ID and main
title tags, etc. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hope this gives some useful
suggestions that point towards a
practical solution. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>David</div>
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<br>
LibreOffice Draw attempts to
open the pagemaker file, with
limited success. But it confirms
that even in the pagemaker
source, the verse numbers are a
separate text stream. With this
source, there is no way to copy
the text with verse numbers
intact. It appears to be stored
with each book in it's own text
stream. Each book is a separate
text stream in the page maker
file. LO Draw isn't rendering
all of the pages, only the first
10, So I've only explored
Matthew further. <br>
<br>
Based on Matthew only, the
verses seem to all end with the
character "-" or ";/", which
should aid in the
reconstruction. I've looked
through the PDF and this seems
to be the case for all books
visually as well. However, this
isn't perfect: I find 1107 of
these characters in Matthew,
instead of the expected 1071
verses. But since the text
stream has a book introduction,
this is likely easily explained.
Hopefully this gets you well
down the path to creating a
stream with verses. <br>
<br>
I would NOT start from the PDF
file, but from the pagemaker
file. The PDF almost certainly
has a lot of text rearranging
and extra characters like page
numbers and running heads.
Pagemaker has the book text in a
single stream, in a form that
will convert to unicode
relatively easily. </div>
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