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<p>Thanks, Troy! I'll have a look.</p>
<p>Best regards,<br>
Tobias<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13.04.19 17:34, Troy A. Griffitts
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->The code I use for mapping across
translations is in our tools repo here. It does a reasonable job
on same language literal Bibles and isolates to word alignment
algorithm to a single method so it can be adjusted without
understanding all the other code in there.<br>
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I think I have a newer matching algorithm I've used for adding
strongs to the Tyndale Greek New Testament and to NA28, which I
still need to check in, but the shell to do the work is generally
there. I'll try to checkin any updates soon.<br>
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For what it's worth,<br>
<br>
Troy<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On April 13, 2019 6:12:28 AM MST, Jamie
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:araj@critos.co.uk"><araj@critos.co.uk></a> wrote:
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H is correct that David Instone Brewer has worked on
this kind of thing. I won’t attempt to characterise how
things stand at present, nor the approach he has
adopted, since I may be out of date, and may end up
misrepresenting things. I did notice this thread,
though, and have drawn it to his attention, so I imagine
he’ll be in touch (he’s not answering my emails
currently so I assume he may be out for the day).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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lang="EN-US"> David Haslam
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<b>Sent:</b> 13 April 2019 13:37<br>
<b>To:</b> SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org"><sword-devel@crosswire.org></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [sword-devel] Mapping Strongs
numbers to translations that do not come with Strongs
support<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I myself developed a worksheet based
editing environment so that Vince LaRue has been able to
start the big task of manually adding Strong’s to the
Spanish RV1865 (modern orthography) Source Text. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The WIP is in a shared folder in my
Box account. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The pre-&-postprocessing uses
bespoke TextPipe filters. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But there’s one more gain in the
worksheet WPL environment. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Providing the WPL worksheet includes
a column with line numbers, the text can be sorted on
the Word column. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This facilitated adding Strong’s to
multiple instances of the same Spanish word (ignoring
context). The original textual order can be restored by
a sort on the line numbers column. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Much more detail is involved in how
(eg) punctuation is dealt with and preserved. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Even so, the trial run on 2JN was a
success and Vince has since done MAT 1-11 or more when I
last looked at the progress. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Aside: The same environment also
facilitated adding markup for \wj_...\wj*<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">David<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 13:16, <a
href="mailto:refdoc@gmx.net" moz-do-not-send="true">refdoc@gmx.net</a>
<<a href="mailto:refdoc@gmx.net" moz-do-not-send="true">refdoc@gmx.net</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I have been thinking about this for
years but not done much yet. <br>
<br>
I think there are a bunch of steps which could make this
a machine driven process<br>
<br>
1) use verse,mapping from KJV or other already tagged
texts (Synodal) and drop on each verse the relevant
numbers<br>
<br>
2) use names of places and people to tag those first<br>
<br>
3) use dictionaries to align further<br>
<br>
4) check by hand, but use any realignment to further
inform not yet checked verses<br>
<br>
<br>
Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and
weird autocorrects.<o:p></o:p></p>
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-------- Original Message --------<br>
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Mapping Strongs numbers to
translations that do not come with Strongs support<br>
From: Michael H <br>
To: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum <br>
CC: <br>
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style="font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Garamond",serif">The
Unfolding Word Team is using Autographa for
its "alignment" process (which means adding
strongs numbers, but they also are working on
fixing stray words into a common
(UnfoldingWord) versification across
languages, if I understand chat room babble. <br>
<br>
<a
href="https://forum.ccbt.bible/t/gl-ugnt-alignment-process/101"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://forum.ccbt.bible/t/gl-ugnt-alignment-process/101</a><br>
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<a href="http://www.autographa.com/about/"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.autographa.com/about/</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at 6:52
AM Tobias Klein <<a
href="mailto:contact@tklein.info"
moz-do-not-send="true">contact@tklein.info</a>>
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<p>Hi David,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Cool! Thanks for the hint! Do you happen to
know whether that software used by the STEP
team is open source?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Best regards,<br>
Tobias<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 13.04.19 13:00, David
Haslam wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This was done already
by the Tyndale STEP team for adding
Strong’s Numbers to the ESV. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">They used bespoke
software followed by manual adjustments. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ask David
Instone-Brewer for details. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">David<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Apr 13, 2019 at
11:33, Tobias Klein <<a
href="mailto:contact@tklein.info"
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi,<br>
<br>
I have an idea that I would like to run by
you guys.<br>
<br>
Would it be possible to automatically map
Strongs numbers to<br>
translations that do not come with Strongs
support?<br>
<br>
The approach would be like this:<br>
- Take a translation that comes with
Strongs numbers<br>
- Map each word (and Strongs number) to a
corresponding word in the<br>
target translation, by using a regular
dictionary<br>
<br>
There may be some validation / manual
checking needed when there is not<br>
a clear match between a word in the source
translation and the target<br>
translation.<br>
Furthermore, this would probably only work
with pairs of translations<br>
that are both aiming to be literal. In
that case the order of words<br>
would be very similar and would increase
chances of mapping<br>
words/Strongs correctly.<br>
<br>
What do you think?<br>
I'd be very happy to see Strongs mapped to
German translations<br>
specifically. But it could technically
even work for English/English<br>
translation mapping.<br>
<br>
Have a nice weekend!<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Tobias<br>
<br>
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