<div>As regards the BibleTech conference. </div><div><br></div><div>Much though I’d love to come to something I’ve never been to, there are personal circumstances preventing it this year. </div><div><br></div><div>If Troy does attend, please can something be done about the permanent timeout that occurs for the domain specified in the OSIS header!</div><div><br></div><div>http://www.bibletechnologies.net/</div><div><br></div><div>This still needs fixing, even if the OSIS committee no longer convenes. </div><div><br></div><div>Who is able to unravel this ?</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div><br></div><div>David</div><div><br></div><div id="protonmail_mobile_signature_block">Sent from ProtonMail Mobile</div> <div><br></div><div><br></div>On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 00:44, Troy A. Griffitts <<a href="mailto:scribe@crosswire.org" class="">scribe@crosswire.org</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite">
<p>To piggy-back on what Peter is saying... from the last few
emails, I am not sure everyone is on the same page...<br>
</p>
<p>Michael Paul Johnson already converts the free DBL texts to SWORD
modules automatically and makes them available for all of our
software (the ebible.org remote installation source). As Peter
says, I don't believe an automated conversion of USX to OSIS is
ideal, but it works well enough to mostly read the text. I think
Michael has done the best job he can do with an automated
conversion of USX to OSIS to SWORD module.</p>
<p>My previous encouragement to proceed to pursue one Bible of
interest with a publisher was not an encouragement to do this with
the intent to start a 3rd party company to sell content for
CrossWire software for that publisher. My encouragement was to
follow our policy and negotiate as a volunteer of CrossWire and
explain CrossWire's policy to the publisher and offer to do the
work and let the publisher sell their unlock key. To be clear, I
would discourage anyone from pursuing an effort to start another
organization to become a middleman selling publisher data for
CrossWire software. There are very good reasons we are a
non-income organization and it has served us well. It removes
jealousy from any individual making money from the collaboration
of so many. I would make very clear to any publisher we speak
with that we discourage and do not endorse any organization who
wishes to sell that publishers content for CrossWire software,
other than the publisher themselves. To repeat, I am not against
modern content being sold for CrossWire software. We have spent
much effort into facilitating this for publishers and have a plan
for them which they have been happy to follow. Summarily, in my
experience over the past 5 years, any publisher I have pursued has
been willing to take advantage of our current policy, as I have
explained. They are happy to sell their own content. They are
surprised we don't want a cut. They appreciate our ministry.
Please do not try to solve a problem which you have not yet run up
against. The issue is motivated volunteers. We have had people
take this up in the past. Here is our last effort:</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://crosswire.org/sword/copyright/">http://crosswire.org/sword/copyright/</a></p>
<p>It has been so long ago, I can't remember who was leading that
effort. It has long been defunct, but the goals were all aligned
with our community. Reach out to publishers, explain what we
offer them, keep track of contacts and history of communication,
encourage other volunteers to understand our policies and get
involved to push a pet text forward.<br>
</p>
<p>Please feel free to do the hard work of following our policy to
negotiate, obtain data, convert, encipher, and give the key back
to the publisher to sell... the ultimate end would be for them to
even manage their own remote install source, which we are happy to
add to our autodiscovery registry.</p>
<p>Please also be specific here as to which text you are pursuing.
We may already have a relationship. For example, I am personally
involved with the Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft (the German Bible
Society which Tobias mentions) and those who make the online
distribution decisions for copyrighted material. It would be
strange for someone else to email them cold and say, "Hey, I
represent CrossWire." If you want to pursue a text which I've not
yet spoken to them about, I am happy to introduce you.</p>
<p>Regarding other modern material in digital libraries from Logos,
et al., Tyndale House attempts to fill this void of producing
freely available modern scholarship. As David Haslam has
mentioned, much of their material is in SWORD format. I believe
their intent is to ultimate make their remote install repository
fully SWORD compatible and for us to add it to our autodiscovery
registry so our other frontends can use their great materials.
Currently, only their JSword-based STEP application accesses their
materials now and it uses some material which is not in our module
storage format. David Instone-Brewer is the contact there and we
should touch base with them again to see where things stand.<br>
</p>
<p>Some of these digital publishers, e.g., Logos, also secure
exclusive digital rights from content creators to distribute their
work digitally. They justify this by saying that they partially
fund the research by paying for exclusive rights. Anyway, that's
a completely different topic...</p>
<p>Which reminds me...</p>
<p>Is anyone going to BibleTech this year? I haven't been for a
really long time. The last time I believe is when I met Karl
there!<br>
</p>
<p> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://faithlife.com/bibletech">https://faithlife.com/bibletech</a></p>
<p>In Him,<br>
</p>
<p>Troy</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/13/19 3:01 PM, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:refdoc@gmx.net">refdoc@gmx.net</a>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
I think it is simply inappropriate for an external organisation
to.negotiate on behalf of or instead of CrossWire<br>
<br>
Further I am really upset about the confusing of the "problem"
with popular but expensive and hence unavailable texts and the
other stuff in DBL. We have excellent relationships with many
Bible societies and now you setting up something which confuses
this is simply wrong. <br>
<br>
If you must, concentrate on NIV etc, but please do not create an
alternative path for publication of CrossWire modules for the bulk
of this world's languages<br>
<br>
Wrt bulk conversion. Does not work and those who think it does
have not worked long enough with texts to the standard we want to
see in CrissWire<br>
<br>
Peter<br>
<br>
Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird
autocorrects.
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-------- Original Message --------<br>
Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Platform for the distribution of
non-free Sword Modules<br>
From: Tobias Klein <br>
To: Dominique Corbex ,SWORD Developers'
Collaboration Forum <br>
CC: <br>
<br>
<br type="attribution">
<blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On
13.03.19 13:14, Dominique Corbex wrote:<br>
> In France, people use modern (non-free) translation
too, but *printed* <br>
> Bibles.<br>
> Some people I know have installed Bible apps on
their phones but are not willing to pay for a non-free
version.<br>
> And for good reason, popular modern translation
have their own free apps on Play Store:<br>
>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.com.SBG.s21">https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.com.SBG.s21</a>)<br>
>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.book.bible.bds">https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.book.bible.bds</a><br>
>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bible.jang.frpdv">https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bible.jang.frpdv</a><br>
>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=bible.parole.de.vie">https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=bible.parole.de.vie</a><br>
<br>
Apps are often times available with non-free
translations for free, but <br>
that's not the case for decent desktop bible study
software.<br>
Even if the market is reduced to desktop bible study
programs, that's <br>
still a rather large market where Sword-based software
could increase <br>
its share.<br>
Desktop bible study software is often times used by
people in ministries <br>
(teaching/preaching/bible study preparation). And these
kind of users <br>
are usually also ready to pay.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Tobias<br>
<br>
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