<html><head></head><body><div style="font-family: Verdana;font-size: 12.0px;"><div>Other parser do go remote. I change for that reason the reference in my source files to a local file.
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;"><b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 15. März 2019 um 14:47 Uhr<br/>
<b>Von:</b> "DM Smith" <dmsmith@crosswire.org><br/>
<b>An:</b> "David Haslam" <dfhdfh@protonmail.com>, "SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum" <sword-devel@crosswire.org><br/>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [sword-devel] Platform for the distribution of non-free Sword Modules</div>
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<div>For the parser built into Java, the schema (BTW, a nitpick, it’s not a DTD) needs to be local. It will not go across the network to retrieve it.
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<div>On Mar 15, 2019, at 10:36 AM, David Haslam <<a href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" onclick="parent.window.location.href='mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com'; return false;" target="_blank">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>Ah - but you do have to somewhere have an accessible copy of the DTD file. </div>
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<div>You can change its path to something else online (CrossWire or eBible) or (faster still) somewhere local and validation will work. </div>
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<div>But you have to first know that this is required, especially if you use a conversion script that uses the original path for the schema. </div>
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<div>As Tom explains, the other instances of the URL are not used for remote access. </div>
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<div>David</div>
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On Fri, Mar 15, 2019 at 14:26, Tom Sullivan <<a href="mailto:info@beforgiven.info" onclick="parent.window.location.href='mailto:info@beforgiven.info'; return false;" target="_blank">info@beforgiven.info</a>> wrote:
<blockquote class="protonmail_quote">Y'all:<br/>
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If this question involves the use of that address <a href="http://www.bibletechnologies.net" target="_blank">www.bibletechnologies.net</a><br/>
with respect to XML and validation of an XML file, please note that it<br/>
has been a point of general confusion for XML users, but the address is<br/>
only a unique identifier. There is no need for any parser or validator<br/>
to actually access that URL. This is a rather obscure point.<br/>
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If the question is otherwise, sorry for another email.<br/>
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On 3/15/19 10:11 AM, David Haslam wrote:<br/>
> As regards the BibleTech conference.<br/>
><br/>
> Much though I’d love to come to something I’ve never been to, there are<br/>
> personal circumstances preventing it this year.<br/>
><br/>
> If Troy does attend, please can something be done about the permanent<br/>
> timeout that occurs for the domain specified in the OSIS header!<br/>
><br/>
> http://www.bibletechnologies.net/<br/>
><br/>
> This still needs fixing, even if the OSIS committee no longer convenes.<br/>
><br/>
> Who is able to unravel this ?<br/>
><br/>
> Best regards,<br/>
><br/>
> David<br/>
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> On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 00:44, Troy A. Griffitts <scribe@crosswire.org<br/>
> <mailto:scribe@crosswire.org>> wrote:<br/>
>><br/>
>> To piggy-back on what Peter is saying... from the last few emails, I<br/>
>> am not sure everyone is on the same page...<br/>
>><br/>
>> Michael Paul Johnson already converts the free DBL texts to SWORD<br/>
>> modules automatically and makes them available for all of our software<br/>
>> (the ebible.org remote installation source). As Peter says, I don't<br/>
>> believe an automated conversion of USX to OSIS is ideal, but it works<br/>
>> well enough to mostly read the text. I think Michael has done the<br/>
>> best job he can do with an automated conversion of USX to OSIS to<br/>
>> SWORD module.<br/>
>><br/>
>> My previous encouragement to proceed to pursue one Bible of interest<br/>
>> with a publisher was not an encouragement to do this with the intent<br/>
>> to start a 3rd party company to sell content for CrossWire software<br/>
>> for that publisher. My encouragement was to follow our policy and<br/>
>> negotiate as a volunteer of CrossWire and explain CrossWire's policy<br/>
>> to the publisher and offer to do the work and let the publisher sell<br/>
>> their unlock key. To be clear, I would discourage anyone from<br/>
>> pursuing an effort to start another organization to become a middleman<br/>
>> selling publisher data for CrossWire software. There are very good<br/>
>> reasons we are a non-income organization and it has served us well.<br/>
>> It removes jealousy from any individual making money from the<br/>
>> collaboration of so many. I would make very clear to any publisher we<br/>
>> speak with that we discourage and do not endorse any organization who<br/>
>> wishes to sell that publishers content for CrossWire software, other<br/>
>> than the publisher themselves. To repeat, I am not against modern<br/>
>> content being sold for CrossWire software. We have spent much effort<br/>
>> into facilitating this for publishers and have a plan for them which<br/>
>> they have been happy to follow. Summarily, in my experience over the<br/>
>> past 5 years, any publisher I have pursued has been willing to take<br/>
>> advantage of our current policy, as I have explained. They are happy<br/>
>> to sell their own content. They are surprised we don't want a cut.<br/>
>> They appreciate our ministry. Please do not try to solve a problem<br/>
>> which you have not yet run up against. The issue is motivated<br/>
>> volunteers. We have had people take this up in the past. Here is our<br/>
>> last effort:<br/>
>><br/>
>> http://crosswire.org/sword/copyright/<br/>
>><br/>
>> It has been so long ago, I can't remember who was leading that<br/>
>> effort. It has long been defunct, but the goals were all aligned with<br/>
>> our community. Reach out to publishers, explain what we offer them,<br/>
>> keep track of contacts and history of communication, encourage other<br/>
>> volunteers to understand our policies and get involved to push a pet<br/>
>> text forward.<br/>
>><br/>
>> Please feel free to do the hard work of following our policy to<br/>
>> negotiate, obtain data, convert, encipher, and give the key back to<br/>
>> the publisher to sell... the ultimate end would be for them to even<br/>
>> manage their own remote install source, which we are happy to add to<br/>
>> our autodiscovery registry.<br/>
>><br/>
>> Please also be specific here as to which text you are pursuing. We may<br/>
>> already have a relationship. For example, I am personally involved<br/>
>> with the Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft (the German Bible Society which<br/>
>> Tobias mentions) and those who make the online distribution decisions<br/>
>> for copyrighted material. It would be strange for someone else to<br/>
>> email them cold and say, "Hey, I represent CrossWire." If you want to<br/>
>> pursue a text which I've not yet spoken to them about, I am happy to<br/>
>> introduce you.<br/>
>><br/>
>> Regarding other modern material in digital libraries from Logos, et<br/>
>> al., Tyndale House attempts to fill this void of producing freely<br/>
>> available modern scholarship. As David Haslam has mentioned, much of<br/>
>> their material is in SWORD format. I believe their intent is to<br/>
>> ultimate make their remote install repository fully SWORD compatible<br/>
>> and for us to add it to our autodiscovery registry so our other<br/>
>> frontends can use their great materials. Currently, only their<br/>
>> JSword-based STEP application accesses their materials now and it uses<br/>
>> some material which is not in our module storage format. David<br/>
>> Instone-Brewer is the contact there and we should touch base with them<br/>
>> again to see where things stand.<br/>
>><br/>
>> Some of these digital publishers, e.g., Logos, also secure exclusive<br/>
>> digital rights from content creators to distribute their work<br/>
>> digitally. They justify this by saying that they partially fund the<br/>
>> research by paying for exclusive rights. Anyway, that's a completely<br/>
>> different topic...<br/>
>><br/>
>> Which reminds me...<br/>
>><br/>
>> Is anyone going to BibleTech this year? I haven't been for a really<br/>
>> long time. The last time I believe is when I met Karl there!<br/>
>><br/>
>> https://faithlife.com/bibletech<br/>
>><br/>
>> In Him,<br/>
>><br/>
>> Troy<br/>
>><br/>
>><br/>
>> On 3/13/19 3:01 PM, refdoc@gmx.net wrote:<br/>
>>> I think it is simply inappropriate for an external organisation<br/>
>>> to.negotiate on behalf of or instead of CrossWire<br/>
>>><br/>
>>> Further I am really upset about the confusing of the "problem" with<br/>
>>> popular but expensive and hence unavailable texts and the other stuff<br/>
>>> in DBL. We have excellent relationships with many Bible societies and<br/>
>>> now you setting up something which confuses this is simply wrong.<br/>
>>><br/>
>>> If you must, concentrate on NIV etc, but please do not create an<br/>
>>> alternative path for publication of CrossWire modules for the bulk of<br/>
>>> this world's languages<br/>
>>><br/>
>>> Wrt bulk conversion. Does not work and those who think it does have<br/>
>>> not worked long enough with texts to the standard we want to see in<br/>
>>> CrissWire<br/>
>>><br/>
>>> Peter<br/>
>>><br/>
>>> Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird<br/>
>>> autocorrects.<br/>
>>><br/>
>>><br/>
>>> -------- Original Message --------<br/>
>>> Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Platform for the distribution of non-free<br/>
>>> Sword Modules<br/>
>>> From: Tobias Klein<br/>
>>> To: Dominique Corbex ,SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum<br/>
>>> CC:<br/>
>>><br/>
>>><br/>
>>> On 13.03.19 13:14, Dominique Corbex wrote:<br/>
>>> > In France, people use modern (non-free) translation too, but<br/>
>>> *printed*<br/>
>>> > Bibles.<br/>
>>> > Some people I know have installed Bible apps on their phones<br/>
>>> but are not willing to pay for a non-free version.<br/>
>>> > And for good reason, popular modern translation have their own<br/>
>>> free apps on Play Store:<br/>
>>> > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=air.com.SBG.s21)<br/>
>>> > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.book.bible.bds<br/>
>>> > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.bible.jang.frpdv<br/>
>>> > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=bible.parole.de.vie<br/>
>>><br/>
>>> Apps are often times available with non-free translations for<br/>
>>> free, but<br/>
>>> that's not the case for decent desktop bible study software.<br/>
>>> Even if the market is reduced to desktop bible study programs,<br/>
>>> that's<br/>
>>> still a rather large market where Sword-based software could<br/>
>>> increase<br/>
>>> its share.<br/>
>>> Desktop bible study software is often times used by people in<br/>
>>> ministries<br/>
>>> (teaching/preaching/bible study preparation). And these kind of<br/>
>>> users<br/>
>>> are usually also ready to pay.<br/>
>>><br/>
>>> Best regards,<br/>
>>> Tobias<br/>
>>><br/>
>>><br/>
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