<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">JSword does not use the GlobalOptionFilter or Feature values for rendering.<div><br></div><div>Overview:</div><div>JSword converts module content into OSIS then renders that with parameterized XSLT. Each JSword frontend uses a forked version of Bible Desktop’s XSLT. <span style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">All bets are off if the module is badly encoded. It makes assumptions about what is proper in a SWORD module.</span></div><div><div><br><div id="AppleMailSignature" dir="ltr">— DM Smith<div>From my phone. Brief. Weird autocorrections. </div></div><div dir="ltr"><br>On Feb 7, 2019, at 2:39 PM, Dudeck, John <<a href="mailto:John.Dudeck@sim.org">John.Dudeck@sim.org</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">I dumped the LXX and TR modules using mod2imp.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">1) I see that the LXX morphology uses the module packard. So I downloaded packard from Crosswire.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">2) I see that those words that do not have a Strongs number have the morphology duplicated in the Strongs field (!!!) So in Malachi 1:1 you can see for the first word it shows:</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt"><w lemma="strong:GN-NSN" morph="packard:N-NSN">λημμα</w></span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">which is wrong!</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">$$$Malachi 1:1</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt"><w lemma="strong:GN-NSN" morph="packard:N-NSN">λημμα</w> <w lemma="strong:G3056" morph="packard:N-GSM">λογου</w> <w lemma="strong:G2962" morph="packard:N-GSM">κυριου</w> <w lemma="strong:G1909"
morph="packard:PREP">επι</w> <w lemma="strong:G3588" morph="packard:T-ASM">τον</w> <w lemma="strong:G2474" morph="packard:N-PRI">ισραηλ</w> <w lemma="strong:G1722" morph="packard:PREP">εν</w> <w lemma="strong:G5495" morph="packard:N-DSF">χειρι</w> <w lemma="strong:G32"
morph="packard:N-GSM">αγγελου</w> <w lemma="strong:G846" morph="packard:D-GSM">αυτου</w> <w lemma="strong:G5087" morph="packard:V-AMM-2P">θεσθε</w> <w lemma="strong:G1211" morph="packard:PRT">δη</w> <w lemma="strong:G1909" morph="packard:PREP">επι</w> <w lemma="strong:G3588"
morph="packard:T-APF">τας</w> <w lemma="strong:G2588" morph="packard:N-APF">καρδιας</w> <w lemma="strong:G5216" morph="packard:P-GP">υμων</w></span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">A quick regular expression shows that there are 30512 words where the strongs number has morphology in the field out of 475348 total words.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">3) The morphology field is not being displayed by AndBible. Only Strongs is being displayed. I see no differences in the tagging syntax used.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">The mods.d/lxx.conf and tr.conf files both contain:</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">So I don't understand why one displays the Morphology codes and the other does not.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">Any ideas?</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> The behavior in AndBible for the LXX is rather odd. It doesn't matter where you look in the text,
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> the symptoms appear the same everywhere.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> When you tap 'nnnn' to display Strongs numbers, it displays the Strongs numbers, BUT for those
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> words where there is no Strongs, it displays a Morphology code. As David mentions, in Mal 1:1, it
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> shows N-NSN for the first word, and Strongs numbers for the rest of the words in the verse.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> If you open the display menu (three dots menu), Strongs and Morphology are both checked. If you
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> uncheck Morphology, nothing changes in the display. If you check Morphology and uncheck
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> Strongs, all of the Strongs disappear, and no Morphology codes are displayed. If you then touch
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> 'nnnn' again, it displays Strongs, but in the display menu Strongs is unchecked and Morphology is
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> checked but grayed out.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> If you touch a Strongs number, it displays the entry as expected. If you touch a Morphology code
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> (eg. N-NSN as above), it looks up the word 'N-NSN' in Strongs Hebrew and displays the entry
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> 3476 Naasson. If you touch 'V-PAPRP', it displays entry 3578 xenia from Strong's Greek.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> By comparison with the TR Textus Receptus, when you tap 'nnnn' to display Strongs numbers, it
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> displays the Strongs number followed by the Morphology (with no space between). You can touch
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> the number and it brings up the Strongs entry from Strongs Greek. You can touch the Morphology
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> and it brings up the Robinson's codes. If you open the display menu and uncheck Morphology, it
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> shows only the Strongs numbers. However you cannot display Morphology if Strongs is not
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> I would assume that the behavior of the display menu in AndBible is an AndBible issue, and it's
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> not really a problem, just a minor logic bug. But the inability to display Morphology in LXX is an
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> issue.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> I imagine this could either be addressed in AndBible, or in the LXX source. Is Tuomas reading
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> this, or do I need to write him separately?</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> Where do I find the LXX source? Maybe this is something that can be corrected fairly easily.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> > LXX installed in PocketSword can display both or either. </span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> > There are some tagging errors such as the one I spotted in the first word of Malachi 1:1</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> > I’ve not looked at more than one location before responding on whether the 2 features work. </span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> > Could it be AndBible or did you perhaps sample a location with many more tagging issues?</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> > David</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> > On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 01:19, Dudeck, John <<a href="mailto:John.Dudeck@sim.org">John.Dudeck@sim.org</a>> wrote:</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> > Greetings.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> > I've just tried loading the LXX in AndBible. Supposedly it has both Strongs numbers and</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> > Morphology tagging. But in AndBible it only displays Morphology when there is no Strongs</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> > number on a given word. And in that case it tries to look up the Morphology in Strongs. In</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> > Xiphos you can see where there is no Strongs number in those cases.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> > By the way I am using our own French version of Strongs. Is the morphology lookup</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> > supposed to be in Strongs for LXX? With the Textus Receptus it needs Robinson's module.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> > In contrast the Textus Receptus displays both Strongs and Morphology.</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> > Does this mean there is a tagging problem in the LXX? Or is it an AndBible/Jsword</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" color="#7f0000" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">> > problem?</span></font></div>
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<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">John Dudeck</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt">Programmer at Editions Cle Lyon, France</span></font></div>
<div align="left"><font face="Arial" size="2"><span style=" font-size:10pt"><a href="mailto:john.dudeck@sim.org">john.dudeck@sim.org</a> <a href="mailto:john@editionscle.com">john@editionscle.com</a></span></font></div>
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