<div>Aside: It turns out that 13 Psalms actually have a Second Version. </div><div><br></div><div>Became clear over the weekend while I was editing the SFM file. </div><div><br></div><div>David</div><div><br></div><div id="protonmail_mobile_signature_block">Sent from ProtonMail Mobile</div> <div><br></div><div><br></div>On Sun, Jan 13, 2019 at 20:44, Peter von Kaehne <<a href="mailto:refdoc@gmx.net" class="">refdoc@gmx.net</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite"> Ok, this is my interrim solution which I plan. I think it should work<br><br>I will create a double module - both confs in one file, second version<br>in the second (sub)module. Then I will create reference links from one<br>to the other at the header of each psalm with two versions. And back<br>again.<br><br>Peter<br><br><br><br><br>On Sun, 2019-01-13 at 12:51 -0700, Troy A. Griffitts wrote:<br>> A few thoughts...<br>> How do we envisage a frontend displaying this text? Do we expect<br>> each frontend to have special logic for displaying if there is a<br>> variation of the chapter? Consider all the various display cases:<br>> single Bible view, parallel Bible view, search results, etc... For<br>> example, if this module is included in a parallel display with a<br>> second module (say, Hebrew), what do we expect to happen if a chapter<br>> is displayed which includes an alternative chapter?<br>> I don't have any good ideas which avoid frontends including special<br>> logic for something like this, which isn't reasonable. We do have at<br>> least one other scenario which is similar: Rahlfs' LXX, which<br>> includes alternate traditions for books. We also struggled with the<br>> best way to capture and display this. More difficult, Ralhfs uses a<br>> differing versification for alternate book traditions. We did proof<br>> of concepts with adding Alt books to an LXX versification, allowing<br>> LXX Book versifications to have enough chapter, book max to cover<br>> either tradition, creating a single module, having 2 modules-- the<br>> second having only the alternate traditions. I don't recall where we<br>> left off on that or what strategy our current Rahlfs Bible uses. Our<br>> CATSS LXX GenBook includes book traditions as 'A' and 'B',<br>> http://crosswire.org/study/bookdisplay.jsp?mod=LXXM<br>> But that just punts on the problem and uses GenBook because doesn't<br>> need to solve the problem of relating 'A' and 'B' together somehow.<br>> Just some thoughts,<br>> Troy<br>><br>> On 1/13/19 8:22 AM, David Haslam wrote:<br>> > The best solution may be to have two SMP modules each with 150<br>> > Psalms; one to have the V1s and the other to have the V2s for the<br>> > Psalms with 2 versions.<br>> ><br>> > NB. The canonical title should also be supplied for the Version 2.<br>> ><br>> > These Psalms could be given an extra technical note to explain<br>> > further.<br>> ><br>> > 138 Psalms would appear exactly the same in both modules, but the<br>> > convenience more than compensates for the duplications.<br>> ><br>> > Thoughts?<br>> ><br>> > David<br>> ><br>> > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 14:17, David Haslam <dfhdfh@protonmail.com><br>> > wrote:<br>> > > In response to DM, I think that's the wrong approach, as it would<br>> > > be confusing to mix two different metres for how the same Psalm<br>> > > was metrified in English.<br>> > > What's required is whole chapters as 2 different variants.<br>> > ><br>> > > There are 25 lines containing the word 'version':<br>> > > s2 First Version<br>> > > s2 Second Version<br>> > > s2 First Version (S.M.)<br>> > > s2 Second Version<br>> > > s2 First Version<br>> > > s2 Second Version<br>> > > s2 First Version<br>> > > s2 Second Version<br>> > > s2 First Version<br>> > > s2 Second Version<br>> > > s2 First Version<br>> > > s2 Second Version<br>> > > s2 First Version - this version was retained from the 1562<br>> > > English and 1564 Scottish Psalters. It is by William Kethe.<br>> > > s2 Second Version<br>> > > cl Psalm 102 There is also a Long Metre version below *<br>> > > s2 First Version<br>> > > s2 Second Version<br>> > > s2 First Version (8.7.8.7. Iambic)<br>> > > s2 Second Version (6.6.6.6.8.8.) This is a slightly modified<br>> > > version of the Psalm as it first appeared in the Scottish Psalter<br>> > > of 1564 *<br>> > > s2 First Version (C.M.)<br>> > > s2 Second Version (6.6.6.6.D.)<br>> > > s2 First Version<br>> > > s2 Second Version<br>> > > s2 First version<br>> > > s2 Second Version (6.6.6.6.8.8.)<br>> > ><br>> > > As you can see, one of these instances is simply within a note.<br>> > > So there are in fact 12 Psalms that have a second metrical<br>> > > version.<br>> > ><br>> > > Best regards,<br>> > ><br>> > > David<br>> > ><br>> > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.<br>> > ><br>> > > â€â€â€â€â€â€â€ Original Message â€â€â€â€â€â€â€<br>> > > On Saturday, 12 January 2019 13:55, refdoc@gmx.net <<br>> > > refdoc@gmx.net> wrote:<br>> > ><br>> > > > Ah, yes, sorry<br>> > > ><br>> > > > Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos and weird<br>> > > > autocorrects.<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > -------- Original Message --------<br>> > > > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Second versions, Scottish Metric<br>> > > > Psalter<br>> > > > From: David Haslam<br>> > > > To: DM Smith<br>> > > > CC: SWORD Developers' Collaboration Forum<br>> > > ><br>> > > ><br>> > > > > NB. Peter's initial message contained a broken link to<br>> > > > > https://github.com/refdoc/The-Scottish-Metric-Psalter-1650<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > The repo is now at<br>> > > > > https://gitlab.com/crosswire-bible-society/scottish-psalter-1650<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > i.e. In our public facing location for PD text development.<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > Best regards,<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > David<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > â€â€â€â€â€â€â€ Original Message â€â€â€â€â€â€â€<br>> > > > > On Saturday, 12 January 2019 13:25, DM Smith <<br>> > > > > dmsmith@crosswire.org> wrote:<br>> > > > ><br>> > > > > > If you make one module do it as variations verse by verse.<br>> > > > > > JSword works on this basis. Each needs to be well-formed<br>> > > > > > XML. Otherwise it will toss the markup.<br>> > > > > ><br>> > > > > > Do the canonical headings vary too? That might pose a<br>> > > > > > single module problem.<br>> > > > > ><br>> > > > > > David and I have discussed supporting multiple KJV modules<br>> > > > > > from a single xml doc using a filter (e.g. XSLT) to produce<br>> > > > > > subsets. Examples, with Apocrypha, without such, long s<br>> > > > > > variant, .....<br>> > > > > ><br>> > > > > > I already have a couple of XSLT filters that others<br>> > > > > > requested: no notes or Strong’s numbers; Plaintext.<br>> > > > > ><br>> > > > > > In Him,<br>> > > > > > DM Smith<br>> > > > > ><br>> > > > > > On Jan 12, 2019, at 7:38 AM, David Haslam <<br>> > > > > > dfhdfh@protonmail.com> wrote:<br>> > > > > > > Sparsely populated....<br>> > > > > > ><br>> > > > > > > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile<br>> > > > > > ><br>> > > > > > ><br>> > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 12:37, refdoc@gmx.net <<br>> > > > > > > refdoc@gmx.net> wrote:<br>> > > > > > > > Never looked at it. Why?<br>> > > > > > > ><br>> > > > > > > > Sent from my mobile. Please forgive shortness, typos<br>> > > > > > > > and weird autocorrects.<br>> > > > > > > ><br>> > > > > > > ><br>> > > > > > > > -------- Original Message --------<br>> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [sword-devel] Second versions, Scottish<br>> > > > > > > > Metric Psalter<br>> > > > > > > > From: David Haslam<br>> > > > > > > > To: sword-devel@crosswire.org<br>> > > > > > > > CC:<br>> > > > > > > ><br>> > > > > > > ><br>> > > > > > > > > You mean the Samaritan Pentateuch Dead Sea Scrolls<br>> > > > > > > > > variant module SPDSS isn't rather more of an overkill<br>> > > > > > > > > ?<br>> > > > > > > > > Have you ever looked at the contents?<br>> > > > > > > > ><br>> > > > > > > > > I was about to suggest the same as Tom Sullivan did.<br>> > > > > > > > ><br>> > > > > > > > > A second module with just the alternative versions of<br>> > > > > > > > > these 11 or 12 Psalms,<br>> > > > > > > > ><br>> > > > > > > > > But is there a third metrical version of any Psalm?<br>> > > > > > > > ><br>> > > > > > > > > David<br>> > > > > > > > ><br>> > > > > > > > > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile<br>> > > > > > > > ><br>> > > > > > > > ><br>> > > > > > > > > On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 10:30, Peter von Kaehne <<br>> > > > > > > > > refdoc@gmx.net> wrote:<br>> > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2019-01-12 at 05:15 -0500, Tom Sullivan<br>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:<br>> > > > > > > > > > > Peter:<br>> > > > > > > > > > ><br>> > > > > > > > > > > Suggestion: Make 2 modules, one for each<br>> > > > > > > > > > translation. Most front<br>> > > > > > > > > > > ends<br>> > > > > > > > > > > will do parallel display.<br>> > > > > > > > > ><br>> > > > > > > > > > For 11 or 12 (I need to count them) psalms that<br>> > > > > > > > > > seems overkill.<br>> > > > > > > > > ><br>> > > > > > > > > > Peter<br>> > > > > > > > > ><br>> > > > > > > > > ><br>> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________<br>> > > > > > > > > > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org<br>> > > > > > > > > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel<br>> > > > > > > > > > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at<br>> > > > > > > > > > above page<br>> > > > > > > > ><br>> > > > > > > > ><br>> > > > > > ><br>> > > > > > ><br>> > > > > ><br>> > > > > > > _______________________________________________<br>> > > > > > > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org<br>> > > > > > > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel<br>> > > > > > > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above<br>> > > > > > > page<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org<br>> > http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel<br>> > Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org<br>> http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel<br>> Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page<br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>sword-devel mailing list: sword-devel@crosswire.org<br>http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel<br>Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page</blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div>