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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 07/01/2018 à 10:06, David Haslam a
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<div>Cyrille,</div>
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<div>Even if you build the module from IMP using imp2vs, any
duplicated verses will be overwritten by the occurrence in the
second instance.</div>
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Which module are you talking about? What I did: I downloaded the
Lxxm file I processed with the lxxm.jar script, the result was a
brand new imp file. With which I tried to create a new module with
imp2vs, but nothing is displayed in xiphos. Maybe you can test on
your computer.<br>
That's where I am with lxxm sources.<br>
As for my module. I can now, if you validate my proposal, create a
new module for the LXX from the Rahlfs edition, with the accents,
but without the morphology and the numbers of strong.<br>
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<div>The module would thus lose content that exists in the source
text.</div>
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On Sun, Jan 7, 2018 at 07:33, Cyrille <<a
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 06/01/2018 à 21:19, David
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<div>Now that you understand that, does this change anything
regarding the proposed three new catholic lit av11ns ?</div>
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No because for the Catholic we have not to do a "compromise"
of different version, all version are the same. <br>
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For LXX, I don't understand exactly what to do with the
LXXM.imp file. For this reason I propose to create a new
module with all the LXX books from Rahlfs version (Or you can
give me the way to use the LXXM.imp :) ). If someone desire to
have the Strong and Morpho he can still install the "old"
module. <br>
After, if someone can add to the new LXX osis file, strong and
he can use this new source file. <br>
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On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 20:09, Cyrille <<a
href="mailto:lafricain79@gmail.com" class=""
moz-do-not-send="true">lafricain79@gmail.com</a>>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 06/01/2018 à 20:51, Troy
A. Griffitts a écrit : <br>
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cite="mid:be91c2cf-26a1-f413-9b69-7c62dc8f181e@crosswire.org">
<p>Dear Cyrille,</p>
<p>Are you taking into account my comment about our
v11ns being supersets from multiple Bibles and the
comments at the beginning of the LXX v11n?</p>
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No sorry I missed it! Ok it's clear. I understand well.
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<pre style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; word-wrap: break-word; white-space: pre-wrap;">// This is a compromise versification system, intended to allow encoding of Bibles using a number of slightly varying LXX-based versification systems. In particular, it was produced in consultation with OTs:
// Rahlfs', Swete's, Tischendorf's, & Thomson's editiNOtions
// R. H. Charles' & James H. Charlesworth's anthologies of Apocrypha & Pseudepigrapha
// Henry E. J. Howard's Pentateuch and R. R. Ottley's Isaiah translations from the LXX
// In addition to the LXX OT, the GNT has been included in this system to facilitate production of modern Bibles such as the OSB, which are translated from the LXX but include the NT as well. The following NTs were consulted in producing this versification system:
// Antoniades' Patriarchal GNT and its translation, the EOB
// the NKJV (OSB NT) & NRSV translations
// All of these Bibles & texts should be accomodated by this versification definition without requiring that any extra verses be appended; as a consequence, no Bible will include every verse of this system.
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/06/2018 12:47 PM,
Cyrille wrote: <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 06/01/2018 à 20:13,
Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : <br>
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cite="mid:1796eec6-f4bc-a71c-ae26-80f4d5e89a31@crosswire.org">
<p>These v11ns are not in the sources because we
are still researching. But since these have
been double checked to printed editions,</p>
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<br>
I have the printing edition!! And this report is
about the printing edition, not about the doc file.
But the doc file correspond exactly to the printing
edition. <br>
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<p>I highly doubt whatever 'errors' you see are
actually errors in the v11n, but rather a bad
source text. I am sorry for speculating, but I
know these v11ns were checked and verified by a
second individual against a printed edition and
also know there is a ton of low quality texts
online which claim to be things which they are
not. <br>
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The check was not good done. <br>
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cite="mid:1796eec6-f4bc-a71c-ae26-80f4d5e89a31@crosswire.org">
<p>These are simply my suspicions without having
the time now to put in the research. I hope you
find a way to check and confirm.</p>
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Then I can confirm this : <br>
The current canon_LXX.h and the LXX,rahlfs.h don't
match with the printing edition, I have with me. <br>
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<p>Troy</p>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/06/2018 12:06
PM, Cyrille wrote: <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 06/01/2018 à
18:36, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : <br>
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<p>Dear Cyrille,</p>
<p>I just did a brief diff between the
canon_lxx.h and the canon_lxx-super.h I sent
you in my previous email, and the
differences don't look like anything
useful. I must be mistaken about what this
file is. Have a read of the comments in the
file I send and those in the canon_lxx.h
included in 1.8.0. They are very similar,
but the *-super.h v11n includes this comment
near the end of the header:</p>
<p>"This is not intended for critical editions
that separately encode variant traditions of
Joshua, Judges, Tobit, etc. that are already
served by the Rahlfs versification system
(q.v.)."</p>
<p>I am not sure to what the "Rahlfs
versification system (q.v.)" refers, nor the
/quod vide/ at the end of the reference.</p>
<p>I could possibly refer to the analysis of
Rahlfs in the LXX v11n folder I send to you
earlier, specifically here, but I am not
sure:</p>
<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/canon_rahlfs.h"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/canon_rahlfs.h</a>
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My question is why this v11n are not in the
sources? And I compare the Rahlfs.h, it's not
good... still a lot of issues. I ready to
perform it. Please let me know the good way to
help. <br>
But it clear for me that for the current source
I have, it's not possible to use the current LXX
v11n. <br>
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<p>But I do not see any accommodation for
alternate traditions in there. I may need
to go search old emails to dig up the
discussions on this.</p>
<p>Troy <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 01/06/2018
09:36 AM, Cyrille wrote: <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 06/01/2018 à
17:16, Troy A. Griffitts a écrit : <br>
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cite="mid:0F41A14C-6286-44A1-8737-B89B414C849F@crosswire.org">Hi
Cyrille, <br>
<br>
Just a few comments which I hope will
clear up a few things. <br>
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The sword-tools SVN repo needs to be
checked out to your computer before you
can run the convert.sh for CCAT. The repo
contains the .jar file you asked about.
You cannot just download the individual
convert.sh script. <br>
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Ok It's clear. I need to clone it with hg?
The user is this from the automatic email
send? If it is this email I can't find it
again <span class="moz-smiley-s7"><span>:-</span></span>
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SWORD versifications are often a superset
for multiple Bibles. The SWORD engine
provides a facility for frontends to
easily skip empty entries. Thus, when you
discover that a chapter here or a chapter
there has too many verses, it is probably
that way to support another Bible which
has more verses for that chapter. <br>
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LXX v11n has been researched extensively
by Chris and others. There are many issues
regarding the LXX which are not easily
resolved, e.g., Rahlfs providing two
textual traditions of the same book in
parallel with different versifications. I
h research for LXX in general can be found
here: <br>
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<a
href="http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://crosswire.org/svn/sword-tools/trunk/versification/lxx_v11ns/</a>
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OK but what to do?? Is it possible to use
the Rahlfs with osis2mod? Because Rahlfs is
not the current one. I have the Rahlfs text.
If I use the current LXX v11n with my text I
will have really a lot of issues! <br>
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Hope this helps a bit. <br>
<br>
Troy <br>
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<pre class="k9mail">Hello,
Before to work on a new module for the LXX, I decided to verify the
current LXX v11n. And what was my surprise discovering many errors!
Please can you give me the list of the current modules using LXX v11n?
I will propose a new with correction, some books give me worries, like
Esther, which contains a versification in letter, I will make you a
proposal once my verification is finished. I work with the A. Rahlfs
(maybe the current LXX v11n was made with an other ?)
Best regards, Br Cyrille
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