<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">The purpose of normalization was for the sake of search. Only when the search index and the search request are normalized to the same form can a result be found.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It doesn’t matter if the normalized form is not readable. If SWORD (or JSword) normalizes both the same, then it doesn’t matter what Unicode Normalization or lack of it is used for displaying the text. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Assuming that SWORD (or JSword) handles search properly, the only advantage of canonical over decomposed in the module itself is space.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">In Him,</div><div class=""><span class="Apple-tab-span" style="white-space:pre"> </span>DM</div><div class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 6, 2018, at 2:26 PM, David Haslam <<a href="mailto:dfhdfh@protonmail.com" class="">dfhdfh@protonmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Good question, Tom.</div>
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<div class="">Assuming that the Latin script part of the source text actually required normalization to NFC,</div>
<div class="">and that at least some of the Biblical Hebrew should not be converted to NFC,</div>
<div class="">you'd build the module using the -N switch of osis2mod, after first applying a script </div>
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<div class="">It would be a very simple task for a bespoke TextPipe filter with a restrict filter </div>
<div class="">designed to limit the Convert to NFC subfilter to the text that was not Hebrew.</div>
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<div class="">Ignoring alphabetical presentation forms, all the Hebrew characters are in one Unicode block.</div>
<div class="">A PCRE to exclude the Hebrew would be very simple.</div>
<div class="">I could almost do it in my sleep after 17 years using TextPipe.</div>
<div class="">No doubt other programmers could do likewise with Perl or Python, etc.</div>
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</div>On Sat, Jan 6, 2018 at 19:14, Tom Sullivan <<a href="mailto:info@beforgiven.info" class="">info@beforgiven.info</a>> wrote:</div>
<blockquote class="protonmail_quote" type="cite">Y'all: For text, such as in a commentary, which includes both Hebrew and English (or another modern Latin script using language), what do you put for the normalization? Tom Tom Sullivan <a href="mailto:info@BeForgiven.INFO" class="">info@BeForgiven.INFO</a> FAX: 815-301-2835 ---------------------
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wrote: > Hi Greg, > > One area where it might turn out to be useful is for the search features > of front-end apps. > It could be important to know that the underlying module text is _not_ > *NFC*. > > That's not to lay
down a requirement as to how search features should be > designed, > but at least to provide the information in case it does matter for some > types of search option. > > Like other things in .conf files, a key can also be _educational_.
> It may prompt developers and users to ask, /*Why did they do this?*/ > > cf. It was _almost by accident_ that in 2014, I first came across this > aspect of using Unicode for Biblical Hebrew. > /It applies only to texts with _both_
vowel accents and cantillation./ > > Even though it's mentioned in our developers' wiki, it's all too easily > missed by other CrossWire volunteers. > > Best regards, > > David > > Sent with ProtonMail
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>> >> Why would the front end or engine need to know this information? Would >> it help the front end developers or users to know it? What do we gain >> by adding this? (I'm not implying it wouldn't be beneficial. But the >>
only thing I know about Unicode is how the different UTF encodings >> work, so I have no idea what use this information could be. I also >> think changes to formats and information standards should be >> conservative
instead of liberal) >> >> --Greg >> >> On Jan 6, 2018 11:01, "David Haslam"
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we build a module. >> >> This prompts me to suggest that we ought to define a new *key* for >> .conf files. >> >> *Normalization=NFC* (this would be the default, and may be >> _omitted_ for
the vast majority of modules) >> *Normalization=Custom* (we should include this in certain Biblical >> Hebrew modules) >> >> This would make it clear to front-end developers and users alike >>
that the source text was _not_ converted to NFC during module build. >> i.e. *osis2mod* was used intentionally with the *-N* switch, in >> _accordance with the requirements of the source text provider_. >>
>> The Unicode source text may already be encoded in *UTF-8* ; this >> memo is /only /about normalization. >> >> In the rare eventuality that there could arise a requrement for >> any of the other
three normalization forms (*NFD*, *NFKC*, *NFKD*) >> defined by the Unicode Consortium, >> these would also be permitted values for the conf file key. >> >> A further benefit arises when a module needs
to be updated. >> If the modules team sees that the .conf file includes the line >> *Normalization=Custom* >> they would be forewarned against converting to NFC through >> /inadvertently/ omitting the
*-N* switch during module build. >> >> _Aside_: Another language with a need for non-standard >> normalization is *Tibetan*. We don't yet have a module in that script. >> >> Best regards, >>
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