<div><u>Underline</u> all words marked with the OSIS <b>name</b> element then.</div>
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<div>Please build that into SWORD and JSword ASAP. </div>
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<div>Agree on the conf key so that front-end developers can begin to provide UI support.</div>
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<div>Further functionality could be provided by means of mouseover tooltips to display type, subType, sex, etc.</div>
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<div>I'm sure there are other ways for touch screen devices to provide something similar.</div>
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<div>I'd like to see front-ends such as <b>Xiphos</b> and <b>PocketSword</b> include a UI options to toggle how such names are displayed.
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<div>The simplest way for other than <b>Far East Asian</b> scripts (such as Chinese, Korean, Japanese) would be to show marked names in <b>bold</b> when the option is selected.
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<div>For all fonts that include a bold typeface, this would be ideal in the sense that it would not interfere with the existing feature to display the <b>Words of Christ</b> in red.
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<div><b>USFM 3.0</b> now supports <b>png_...png*</b> as well as <b>pn_...pn*</b>
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<div>The former is intended for <i>geographic</i> names, the latter is for <i>non-geographic</i> names (which for the most part are <i>persons</i> or <i>person groups</i>).
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<div>It should be recognised that there are several <u>further classes</u> of names in the Bible and related literature than merely these two broad sweep categories.
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<div>In OSIS, the <b>name</b> element can clearly have <b>type</b> and <b>subType</b> attributes as these are allowed for all XML elements.
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<div>It would make sense that for a name with <b>type="person"</b> a further attribute should be <b>sex</b> with "male" or "female" as the expected values.</div>
<div>There are lots more ideas that I've begun to put down in my notes.
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<div>btw. In case your weren't aware, <b>CrossWire</b> has its own <b>CR</b> edition of the <b>OSIS 2.1.1</b> schema.
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<div>This is maintained by <b>DM Smith</b> and can be downloaded via the link in the relevant page in our wiki.
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<div>I've also communicated some of my suggestions to <b>Jeff Klassen</b> at ICAP, so I hope these will be well considered for <b>USFM 3.1</b> or later.
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<div>As of USFM 3.0, the <i>undocumented</i> markers <b>addpn_...addpn*</b> are now <i>deprecated.</i>
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<div>To my mind, the simpler the better. I would not actually use the OSIS markup for name. There is a potential compatibility problem with different software. I think it would be best if one were to simply right-click
on a word, and the user would see what, if any, resources were available for it. Such would be a more generalized solution.
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