<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg">Thanks for the info, I'm going to labor to convert stuff, and I'm using S3 as my repository for now.<div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">I'm completely unaware of any politics surrounding Crosswire/SWORD and any other module format, I just chose Zefania as an example, though I could have mentioned e-sword, kindle, nook, pdf, etc. Many of my sources will be simple webpages, such as <a href="http://www.aina.org/books/bftc/bftc.htm" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">http://www.aina.org/books/bftc/bftc.htm</a></div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">I apologize if I opened an old wound of sorts. Or if the case is not relational, but rather their theology of some kind, I understand. Just know, I have no awareness of any sort of situation relating to the matter. Just that it's a Bible study software engine/format.</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div></div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Greg Hellings <span dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:greg.hellings@gmail.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">greg.hellings@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg"><span class="gmail_msg">On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Matt Zabojnik <span dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:mattzab@gmail.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">mattzab@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><span class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="gmail_msg">The reasons are deep and political. Those who need to know them, already know them.</span></blockquote></span><div class="gmail_msg">I appreciate your discretion in your answer. Conversion difficulties was what I was primarily concerned with, so this is, in a sense, good news.</div><span class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></span></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="gmail_msg">The text is under Copyright by Lockman. Distributing the work would not be legally permitted without obtaining their permission.</span></blockquote></span><div class="gmail_msg">Thank you. I have permission. </div></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div></span><div class="gmail_msg">You have permission to distribute an NASB module from Lockman? That's interesting.<br class="gmail_msg"> <br class="gmail_msg"></div><span class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><span class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></span></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="gmail_msg">It's important for our own resources to know whence the upstream work was found.</span></blockquote></span><div class="gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="gmail_msg">I see. That being the case, there's no reason I wouldn't be able to convert a PD work from Zefania XML for example, or any other format I find it in, correct?</span></div></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div></span><div class="gmail_msg">From a technical perspective, you can convert from any source you can find into a module for your own use. And from a technical perspective, it's very easy to host your own module repository - requiring nothing more than an accessible HTTP serving software.<br class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">As for Zefania, I don't believe you'll get much support or encouragement from these parts surrounding Zefania.<span class="m_-7495046679540274600HOEnZb gmail_msg"><font color="#888888" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></font></span></div><span class="m_-7495046679540274600HOEnZb gmail_msg"><font color="#888888" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg">--Greg<br class="gmail_msg"> <br class="gmail_msg"></div></font></span><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_-7495046679540274600h5 gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></span></div><div class="gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="gmail_msg">Thank you for your ongoing support and information. It is indeed very helpful.</span></div><div class="gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></span></div><div class="gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="gmail_msg">Blessings,</span></div><div class="gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="gmail_msg">Matt</span></div></div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243h5 gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Greg Hellings <span dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:greg.hellings@gmail.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">greg.hellings@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg"><span class="gmail_msg">On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Matt Zabojnik <span dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:mattzab@gmail.com" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">mattzab@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg">Thanks for the info!</div><span class="gmail_msg">
</span><p dir="ltr" class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg">Would you mind explaining in different terms your reason for aborting the project? I didn't fully understand. Delivering to Lockman wasn't going to work for some reason?</p></blockquote></span><div class="gmail_msg">The reasons are deep and political. Those who need to know them, already know them.<br class="gmail_msg"></div><span class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail_msg">
</span><p dir="ltr" class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg">I haven't yet started working on this module, but the intent will be mass distribution rather than personal use only.</p></blockquote></span><div class="gmail_msg">The text is under Copyright by Lockman. Distributing the work would not be legally permitted without obtaining their permission.<br class="gmail_msg"></div><span class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="gmail_msg">
</span><p dir="ltr" class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg">Is it common for people to convert stuff for personal use? And how important is it to declare where I obtained a source text for public domain materials? I didn't see coverage on either of those in the wiki.</p></blockquote></span><div class="gmail_msg">It's important for our own resources to know whence the upstream work was found. This allows repeatable module generation should the upstream source ever be updated and corrected. Very often problems are uncovered in upstream works during the module creation process and this typically continues once the module is in users' hands. The NASB, however, is not a public domain work.<br class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><span class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg">--Greg<br class="gmail_msg"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848HOEnZb gmail_msg"><div class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848h5 gmail_msg"><span class="gmail_msg">
</span><br class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg">On Tue, Feb 21, 2017, 12:15 PM Greg Hellings <<a href="mailto:greg.hellings@gmail.com" class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">greg.hellings@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg">Eons ago, Crosswire received permission from Lockman to begin work on an NSAB module that they could commercially deliver to users who paid for it.<br class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div>Many people have tackled the work of performing the conversions from Lockman's internal, proprietary markup to a Sword module. Each one has, for various reasons, abandoned the work. Most recently it was me, and I gave up due to a lack of a consistent or realistic objective for delivery of the results to Lockman.<br class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg">You can, essentially, assume that nothing more will ever come of it from the official channel. You'd be best to pursue converting another digital source for your own personal use.<br class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div>--Greg<br class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_extra m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div></div><div class="gmail_extra m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg">On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 at 1:06 PM, Matt Zabojnik <span dir="ltr" class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:mattzab@gmail.com" class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg" target="_blank">mattzab@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div></div><div class="gmail_extra m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">What's the status on the NASB module? I saw it mentioned in the dictionary message. This is the first I've heard of it, being new to sword devel.<br class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg">I'm currently working to convert NASB with strongs, footnotes and references, but I need to learn OSIS and RegEx better first.<br class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"><div class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"><br class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-7495046679540274600m_-2453014087275053243m_7257226777414875184m_8244784439851089848m_2309822074416358791gmail_msg gmail_msg">Who here is the point-man on tyre work that's already been done there?</div>
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