<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">See below.<div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 1, 2016, at 5:42 AM, David Haslam <<a href="mailto:dfhmch@googlemail.com" class="">dfhmch@googlemail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">I sent the following to DM earlier today, and I may as well share it, since<br class="">the point can be generalised.<br class=""><br class="">Subject: Klopsch<br class=""><br class="">A first edition of a work isn't necessarily the most definitive.<br class="">Consider Calvin's Institutes for a very pronounced example.<br class=""><br class="">We ought to consider the possibility that second or later editions of his<br class="">Red Letter Bible had revisions correcting at least such things as printers<br class="">errors in the first. Maybe even more?<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>The eBay listing gave it as a first edition, but it is not. The book is clearly a Klopsch edition (none of them have his name in them). It is published by a different publisher than the first printer.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>The red-letter text was not the work of one person, but a team of scholars. See: <a href="https://www.crossway.org/blog/2006/03/red-letter-origin" class="">https://www.crossway.org/blog/2006/03/red-letter-origin</a></div><div><br class=""></div><div>While Klopsch also marked portions of the OT in red, including cross-references in the margin, the edition I have does not have cross-references. I haven’t yet found any OT RLT in my copy.</div><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class="">It was only 16 years between the Klopsch 1901 & the Old Scofield 1917 Bible.<br class="">Did they ever meet? An intriguing possibility.<br class=""><br class="">I'm therefore not so convinced that Klopsch 1901 should be the definitive<br class="">reference standard for red letter markup in our KJV module. Certainly, we<br class="">should take note of the differences, but the Scofield may be more definitive<br class="">of the mature considerations from reader feedback after 1901.<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I did a careful examination and three way comparison of the Klopsch, Old Scofield and our module before I came to that conclusion. I found a few differences and one printers error. My conclusion was that we could use the Klopsch as the basis. I had compared our module to Old Scofield, which I thought I had done well enough, but apparently not. (Note that Klopsch used italics, but we’re not interested in that.) The only one I take issue with is Rev 1:8, but there is no agreement across the different RLT bibles as to what the words of Christ are, so my opinion is not material.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Here is the results of that comparison:</div><div><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Here is a list of differences that I found (and I recheck these against the Old Scofield, which I thought I had done well enough before):</div><div class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">Mark 14:72. Is not red. That is Peter recounting, not Jesus directly saying.</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">CrossWire:</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"><font color="#454545" class="">And the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, </font><font color="#ff2600" class="">Before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice.</font><font color="#454545" class=""> And when he thought thereon, he wept. </font><br class=""></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">Klopsch/Old Scofield:</div><font color="#454545" class="">And the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to mind the word that Jesus said unto him, </font>Before the cock crow twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. A<font color="#454545" class="">nd when he thought thereon, he wept. </font><br class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"> </div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">Luke 5:14 starting with “tell no man:”</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">CrossWire:</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"><font color="#454545" class="">And he charged him to tell no man: </font><font color="#ff2600" class=""><font class="jesus">but go, and shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing, according as Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.</font> </font><span class="" style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"> </span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">Klopsch/Old Scofield:</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"><font class="">And he charged him to</font><font color="#ff2600" class=""> <i class="">tell no man: </i></font><font color="#ff2600" class=""><font class="jesus"><i class="">but go, and shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing, according as Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them.</i></font> <font color="#000000" class=""> </font></font><span class="" style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"> </span></div><div class="" style="color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"><span class=""><br class=""></span></div></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">Luke 6:5 doesn’t include “That”</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">CrossWire:</div>And he said unto them, <font color="#ff2600" class="">That the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.</font><br class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">Klopsch/Old Scofield:</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span class="">And he said unto them, That </span><font color="#ff2600" class=""><i class="">the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.</i></font><br class=""></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">Luke 8:45 doesn’t include second “Who touched me?”</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"><span class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">CrossWire:</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span class="">And Jesus said, </span><font color="#ff2600" class="">Who touched me?</font><span class=""> When all </span><span class="">denied, Peter and they that were with him said, Master, the multitude </span><span class="">throng thee and press </span><span class="">thee</span><span class="">, and sayest thou, </span><font color="#ff2600" class="">Who touched me?</font><br class=""></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"><span class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Klopsch</span>/Old Scofield<span class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">:</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span class="">And Jesus said, </span><font color="#ff2600" class=""><i class="">Who touched me?</i> </font><span class="">When all </span><span class="">denied, Peter and they that were with him said, Master, the multitude </span><span class="">throng thee and press </span><span class="">thee</span><span class="">, and sayest thou, </span><span class="">Who</span><span class=""> </span><span class=""> </span><span class=""> </span><span class="">touched me?</span><br class=""></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">Luke 11:2, starts with “When ye pray, say, “</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"><span class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">CrossWire:</span></div>And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, <font color="#ff2600" class="">Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.</font><br class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"><span class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Klopsch</span>/Old Scofield<span class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">:</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"><span class="">And he said unto them, </span><font color="#ff2600" class=""><i class="">When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.</i></font><br class=""></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"><span class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br class=""></span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">Luke 11:5 includes “And he said unto them, “ However, unlike the rest of the WoC, it is not italicized. I think this is a publisher’s error that should not be propagated.</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"><span class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">CrossWire</span>/Old Scofield<span class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">:</span></div>And he said unto them, <font color="#ff2600" class="">Which of you shall have a friend, and shall go unto him at midnight, and say unto him, Friend, lend me three loaves;</font><br class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"><span class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Klopsch: (I think this is a typesetting error as the first part is not italic!)</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"><font color="#ff2600" class="">And he said unto them, <i class="">Which of you shall have a friend, and shall go unto him at midnight, and say unto him, Friend, lend me three loaves;</i></font><br class=""></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;">Here is an image of this from my dropbox (It will be there for a while, but maybe not months from now):</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal;"><a href="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11788084/2016-01-29%2007.03.20.jpg" class="">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/11788084/2016-01-29%2007.03.20.jpg</a></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"><br class=""></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">Rev 1:8 is not red</div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"><span class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">CrossWire</span>/Old Scofield<span class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">:</span></div><font color="#ff2600" class="">I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending,</font> saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.<br class=""><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"><span class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Klopsch:</span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"><span class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending,</span><span class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"> </span><span class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the </span><span class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Almighty.</span><br class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"><span class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br class=""></span></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);">Rev 22:7 only “Behold I come quickly:”</div></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"><span class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">CrossWire:</span></div><div class=""><font color="#ff2600" class="">Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.</font></div><div class="" style="margin: 0px; line-height: normal; color: rgb(69, 69, 69);"><span class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Klopsch</span>/Old Scofield<span class="" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">:</span></div><div class=""><font color="#ff2600" class=""><i class="">Behold, I come quickly:</i></font> blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class="">The period in view is commensurate with how long CrossWire has had a KJV<br class="">module, a century later.<br class=""><br class="">Thoughts?<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Best regards,<br class=""><br class="">David<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">--<br class="">View this message in context: <a href="http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/CrossWire-s-KJV-tp4655928p4655934.html" class="">http://sword-dev.350566.n4.nabble.com/CrossWire-s-KJV-tp4655928p4655934.html</a><br class="">Sent from the SWORD Dev mailing list archive at <a href="http://nabble.com" class="">Nabble.com</a>.<br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">sword-devel mailing list: <a href="mailto:sword-devel@crosswire.org" class="">sword-devel@crosswire.org</a><br class=""><a href="http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel" class="">http://www.crosswire.org/mailman/listinfo/sword-devel</a><br class="">Instructions to unsubscribe/change your settings at above page<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>